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These are out of my field of study,,but,,The seller is a master jewelry counterfeiter. He does occasionally/rarely sell a authentic ring.
I'd get more/ better photos before purchasing it!

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Yes, Uli is a little "gangster".
He has some good rings - he buys a lot of old jewelry.
And for sure he makes his own ones.
In exact this ring i am not real sure. But i know he had a good one of this pattern in silver and also a good one of the Bismarck-pattern.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Time to continue here.
Saw this pattern some times in silver.
This one is brass with an heavy silver plating in still real good condition.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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odal,

I like it, nice find. Any markings?

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Thanks Mikee!

No, no markings - this ring is brass and only silver plated


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Odal,, a simple but stunning piece!!

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Thanks G.!
Here ahain a new come-in from today.
Silver 800 and enamel. The enamel has some damages, the red one is real glasy like the wwI enamel.
Enjoy!

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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An other come in from today.
Silver, 800, deep black enamel.
Here some impressions:

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Yes that WestFront is mine,,been looking for that pattern for a long time!

Your new piece is super... There's a minimum of 5 pieces to make up that ring... Nice!

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odal,

Nice find! That style of ring is very nice.

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Thanks for the kind words, friends!


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Again a ring for a lady.
More piece construction. Brass, copper? and enamel.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Nice ring Odal. Closer to the NSDAP emblem one will no get.
Like the NSDAP pins, this ring seems to be early.

Always nice to see!! smile

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Danke A.!

In my opinion too a early perod ring.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Odal, here a sister of your ring, a little brooch.

Benten

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Oh yes, real nice!


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Well, not a ring but,,,

Don't really know what they are.. Maybe German American Bund pieces? OR, just early weird Nazi German..

They are a either Perspex or Bakelite...

Anyone seen or have similar?

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Wow - never seen somewhat similar out of this material.
From the pics it looks like out from 3 different pieces in the 3 colours, baken together like a cake and the swastika overed with paint


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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- you got it!,,,3 separate pieces,,painted Swas...

Bakelite was in use by the early 1920s...
All nations tried/played around with it for various reasons.
The pin set up kind of looks US , but in the early/mid 1920s trade was world wide so anyone could have been using it.. Maybe someone has similar and we'll get to see more...

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Time for a "new" ring here. Silver, small size, well made seam, red and glasy enamel. Well stamped "800", austrian tukan and manufacturers mark "JB".
Enjoy!
(Opninions are welcome)

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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And again a ring for women. 2 piece (band/plate). Rather large size. Silver 800 and enamel.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Hey odal,

You are always finding nice rings! Congratulations!

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Much thanks Mikee!

You know: i am always searching with 3 grin eyes!

And Mikee - i found with my 3 eyes some weeks/months ago somewhat interesting for you.
The advert of your patriotic WWI-ring.
Enjoy:

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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odal,

Wow!! I've looked for this for a very long time. That is fantastic! I'm elated and what a great find and thanks a million for showing it to me!

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No problem - its a pleasure for me.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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WOW, a couple of real beauties Odal!
These Patriotic type patterns are getting extreamly hard to find nowdays!

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Thanks G.!
I do my best to let the collection grow.
Here all my enamel partypin pattern rings side by side (all are still here) and in the moment i work on the next real nice one crazy

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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wow very nice!!!!


--- always looking for rings from 1914-1945 ---
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excellent Odal! Super group!,,a collection we all strive to achieve!
Does the other red field rings hav the Austrian hallmarks too?

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odal,

You have an amazing collection!

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Thanks friends!

Markings:

On the second pic ring 1 and 2 have only "800". On the 3. ring you cant see real the stamp - there is inside a second band for downsizing. Ring 4 and 5 have austrian marks (tukan) and the last has no marks - it is silvered brass/copper.

Wow G.! - You got it!
I think i understand your idea and i think you are 100 % right.
Black swas, white/silver round in red shield ist german (black/white/red).
White/silver swas on red field is austrian - colours of austria red/white cool

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Here the next promised partypin pattern.
Exact same style as one of the ring above. Only here is a white enamel around the swas (black/white/red). Ring has a large size, some wearing, "800" mark on backsite plate, well made seam and a little damage in the red enamel.
But, what is this? Behind the enamel it looks like there is a seperate brass? plate.
Sombody here for explaining this to us?

Here some pics.
Enjoy!
Opinions are welcome!

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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I could be wrong odal... One of two things to me..

Part of the enamelling process?, or possibly to add a crystal reflection as such to the finished piece?..

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Much "thanks" svenga for first opinion!
And lets wait for some more grin


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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- so much to see and always learn. Don't think I've ever seen that!
If you used a pin is it hard? or foil like and packed in? [careful not to damage].

I think your other similar ring might have the same.....

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I think Svenga got it!

Good eyes G.!
Yes the other ring has a little enameldamage at the red one too.
And behind this enamel again is a kind of brass.

In all hard to say, but yes, i think too it is a kind of thinn sheet or foil. On both rings this, i call it now so, foil has symetrical structures.
In my opinion real to reflekt and brake incoming light through the very glasy enamel.
And, if i remeber right, brass is one of the best materials to hold enamel.
Thanks Svenga! Thanks G.!
Here some closer pics:

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Just to say there's really much to learn reading advanced collectors by GDC-HRF.......thanks wink

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This is real hot glass enamel, right?
If so than answer is a tricky nature of this kind red color enamel. It will not lay on this low silver content base. With this enamel is pretty hard to work. To "fool" this enamel you can use pure silver 999, which is unacceptable in this case because of its softness. You can make richer silver surface. Or you can go this way with brass liner. There are few more possibilities like to make colorless enamel undercoat etc. Had a lot of "fun" with this enamel in restoration before.

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Thanks Hapur for sharing your knowlede here with us!

Yes, for sure glas enamel.
How are these brass liners usually afixed?
Soldered or crimped in? Its not to see on this two rings i have here.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Hi, how it was usually done I do not know. Because today is available that colorless enamel with higher melting point. So today this technology with brass is pretty useless and pain in ******** anyway.


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