#21103
07/10/2009 03:21 AM
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Very impressive display of fine blades. Congratulation John. Go, go, go Canada.
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#21104
10/06/2009 01:07 AM
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In the thread above, I talked about and we saw a variation of the Fridericus TM. Well, I was lucky enough to convince Janos that this dagger belonged on a wall in Canada. I managed to pry it out of his drunk hands after the Wine Festival we attended together in Budapest on my recent trip there.
Here is the TM
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#21105
10/06/2009 01:08 AM
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Here is a picture of the two maker marks side by side, sort of.
The top one is the new one, the bottom one is the one that I posted way earlier.
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#21106
10/06/2009 01:09 AM
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Another view of the two.
Note the different fonts used, especially the differences in the capital letters, the 'S' and 'F'.
Thank you, Janos.
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#21107
10/06/2009 02:42 AM
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#21108
10/06/2009 08:04 AM
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quote: Well, I was lucky enough to convince Janos that this dagger belonged on a wall in Canada. I managed to pry it out of his drunk hands after the Wine Festival we attended together in Budapest on my recent trip there.
Oh, so that's why I can't find it anywhere here!!! Congarts John, your 2nd Luft collection is amazing. Janos
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#21109
01/01/2010 12:12 AM
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Just before Christmas, I received the following Luft2. It is a Horster, without the ovals. I have seen this mark on bayonets, but not on Luft2s before.
It is in pretty poor condition, but I had to get it for the TM alone.
Here is the TM.
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#21110
01/01/2010 12:13 AM
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Here are the three Horster TMs that I now have:
no oval oval with Ges Gesch oval
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01/01/2010 12:16 AM
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But, this dagger also had another unique feature: it had a distributor logo on the other side.
When I decided to buy this, I only knew about this distributor mark, the Horster mark on the other side was hidden by the crossguard. When I got it at home and needed to take it apart so that I could clean it and get it ready for taking pictures, I noticed the TM... boy was I pleased.
The distributor is Fahnen-Reuter of Munster, not a commonly found one at all, IMHO.
Santa was good this year.
John
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#21112
01/01/2010 01:20 AM
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John, I'd say Santa's been good to you for a couple of years, I'm tired of getting a lump of coal in my stockins
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#21113
01/01/2010 04:20 AM
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Billy: How come your lump of coal looks just like a sawback fire bayonet? Mine looks like a crappy Luft2. Why aren't you partying on this fine New Year's eve? John
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#21114
01/01/2010 05:42 AM
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quote: Originally posted by JohnZ: But, this dagger also had another unique feature: it had a distributor logo on the other side.
When I decided to buy this, I only knew about this distributor mark, the Horster mark on the other side was hidden by the crossguard. When I got it at home and needed to take it apart so that I could clean it and get it ready for taking pictures, I noticed the TM... boy was I pleased.
The distributor is Fahnen-Reuter of Munster, not a commonly found one at all, IMHO.
Santa was good this year.
John
Congrats a lot John with that rare dagger
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#21115
01/01/2010 12:26 PM
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Hey J, Ah it's all relative my friend, you're right that I had a good December. It's been feast or famine lately. No partying for me I'n afraid, too much of an old fart to be out on "amateur night"
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#21116
01/01/2010 02:45 PM
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John, didn't know about that unique for a dagger horster mark, otherwise... but congrats for another good shot Most of all, Happy and peaceful New Years 2010 for all of you young and old guys!
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#21117
01/01/2010 04:02 PM
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John another nice edition to your luft collection quite rare as well.
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#21118
01/05/2010 05:51 PM
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Congrats John,realy nice pices
Regards Carlos1
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#21119
01/05/2010 10:45 PM
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John, you have an incredible collection of luft daggers alone. A great reference for someone interested in collecting by maker!
Good hunting in 2010.
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#21120
04/01/2010 11:19 PM
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This past week was quite a change from the desert of the past year.
I picked up two Luft2 marks that are new to my collection.
First up is a Holler. There was a discussion of Holler TMs in a recent thread on Heers.
In the discussion, it was mentioned that Holler had three different TMs, one with 11 ticks or bars in the thermometer, one with 17 ticks and one with 19 ticks.
I quickly ran to my Luft2s to see what I had, and it was this one, a 17 tick maker mark.
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#21121
04/01/2010 11:20 PM
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This past week, I received a variant on this mark, the 11 tick version. It was on an average blade in a below average scabbard with a chipped grip. But, it was the mark that I wanted.
Here it is:
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#21122
04/01/2010 11:22 PM
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The second maker mark variant that I received this week was an E Pack. The most commonly seen Pack mark is the large Siegfried Waffen in the arch.
Here it is:
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#21123
04/01/2010 11:23 PM
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Actually the one I am showing is Tom's army (sorry Tom, I posted this by mistake, but it is beautiful). My Luft2 version of this is here:
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#21124
04/01/2010 11:25 PM
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The one that I received this week is the small Siegfried with the name of E Pack spelled out underneath the hammering man.
There is a version of this mark that uses the initials EP&S (is this found on Luft2s) and there is another variation that I have only seen in Tom's collection.
But here is the one that I have:
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#21125
04/04/2010 08:10 AM
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John, a beautiful couple of additions to your amazing 2nd luft collection. Very nice indeed.
Gary
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#21126
04/04/2010 02:01 PM
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John what a collection of 2nd lufts! I would love to see more of the Pack with the early mark these are very rare.
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#21127
04/05/2010 05:42 PM
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Thank you, guys.
Tom, I am starting another thread on this Luft2 by itself. Pictures will be there.
John
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#21128
05/22/2010 04:35 PM
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This week, I received what looks like a variation on the Clemen & Jung TM.
As you all probably know, the C&J mark is really two marks, one on each side of the blade.
First up is the Crown and Z usually appearing on the obverse.
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#21129
05/22/2010 04:36 PM
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On the reverse, is the name of Clemen&Jung as shown
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#21130
05/22/2010 04:37 PM
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Why is this a variation? Well, the other mark I have for this maker does not exhibit the word, Solingen.
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#21131
05/22/2010 04:38 PM
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And it doesn't look like the Solingen mark had faded away or was only lightly stamped.
John
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#21132
05/24/2010 09:40 PM
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JohnZ, I too have the C&J with the "Solingen" under Clemen& Jung. This Dagger appears to be quite early, judging by its construction and fittings. This dagger also has a very odd annomoly, an extra leather buffer inside the ferrel!! Do either of yours have this? Also,does your "Clemen&Jung" only dagger feature later fittings? Wondering if these marks are an early and late indicator? Thanks, Kevin.
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#21133
05/24/2010 09:41 PM
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It's ALL in the DETAILS!!.......
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05/25/2010 12:38 AM
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Gentlemen, These maker marks & variations are a feast for the eyes. It's great to see others with a passion for the little thing, those slight & often subtle variations in marks & parts that, for me at least, keep the hobby exciting & ever interesting. John, What more do you have tucked away that you haven't shown us yet?
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#21135
05/25/2010 03:10 AM
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Here are more shots of my C&J with Solingen.
Taken apart.
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05/25/2010 03:11 AM
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Closeup of the TM and a bit of the tang.
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#21137
05/25/2010 03:12 AM
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I just picked up a variation on the C Gustav Spitzer TM. I knew that there were two variations of this mark, the so-called large and small versions. What I didn't know is that the one that I had posted earlier was the small variation and that the larger variation had some distinctive script and logo differences over and above the size.
You can see the differences in the side by side comparisons.
Look at the script, look at the dot between the letters 'S' of Solingen and 'C' of C Gustav and see the differences between the lions... not just size, right?
John
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John well done ! whats on the list next !
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Tom:
I think that I have found a variation on the small Pack TM. I am waiting for the dagger to verify it... if I am correct, it will be posted here.
This thing never ends, does it?
John
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When's the book come out?
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