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#22158 04/09/2010 01:11 AM
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Just want to show my recent purchase.Its perfect fit to my Epack collection.

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VERY nice piece, short ones are nice to find but the stag puts into the stratosphere. Did you get this one from Wayne Techet?


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Hi Billy
No,its not from Wayne

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Stingray:

That is very nice indeed... it looks in better condition than the one on Wayne's site. You sure don't see the short Pionieres very often at all.

Now, what you need is a bunch of Pack etches, if you do not already have them.

I would love to see pictures of the variations in your Packs as pictured above.

John


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#22165 04/09/2010 12:46 PM
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Nice addition!

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Stingray:

To put in a plug for my buddy, Paul above, look at his site for some nice Pack etched bayos!

John


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#22167 04/09/2010 09:21 PM
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Beautiful! Great addition indeed. I also want to get a short pioneer piece to add to my collection, but I find it hard to find ones which I like and the condition is good enough for me to consider them. The price is also quite high on these, but I wholly understand why. Keep it up.

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Hi, a question. Is that frog unusal because it has no rivits? Thanks, Ian.

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Thanks guys
Etchet bayonets its my next step.
And Ian i think the frog is correct for dress bayo.

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Stingray,

very nice short stag pioneer, I don't have one in stag but I would love to have one some day.


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#22172 04/16/2010 01:42 PM
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Another wonderfull collection of Stingray!

Congratulations,

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Is the beak on the stag damaged or is it supposed to be like that?


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quote:
Originally posted by Terry Pullen:
Is the beak on the stag damaged or is it supposed to be like that?


It was supposed to be like that :-) There were numerous variations.

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jancz3rt #230965 10/24/2010 02:23 AM
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Hi Guys
Here is my new pioneer.
Looks like he found new friend laugh

Stingray

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stingray #230966 10/24/2010 02:53 AM
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Wow..those are gorgeous bayos!!!


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Nice.

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JohnZ #231156 10/26/2010 05:12 AM
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Thanks guys
Still looking for long Pack pioneer.
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Ray,

I have what you need but it seems you have what I covet too wink Nice lineup, that stag's a screamer.

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Billy G. #241826 03/20/2011 09:56 PM
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Hey guys
Here's an update on my Pack collection.

Stingray

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All Pack variation

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Beautiful :-) That's one nice collection there. I have also have a nice Pack pioneer but I can't rival the staghorn pioneer, that's one quite rare variation.

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Stingray:

Wonderful!

Did you see the stag Pack short Pioniere on Wayne's site?

http://vonryansexpress.com/p-edged-weapons-259.html

John


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John,

That's what I thought when I saw this piece but it's not the stag from Wayne's site. Lightning strikes twice it seems.


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Billy G. #241857 03/21/2011 01:09 AM
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Thanks guys

John,yes i saw the Pioneer on Wayne's website,but the maker variation is different.

Regards
Stingray

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The maker mark variation is what makes Wayne's desirable, even at that price.

John


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Great stuff there my friend!!

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The vast majority of Pioniere hilted Packs are riveted and do not use the standard Pack spanner bolts.

You can see, in Stingray's collection, that all of the beauty Pack Pionieres are riveted, except for the stag grip one.

So, are rivets the standard and spanner bolts used in this case only to mount the stag grips? There was some speculation at some point that Pack sent out their Pionieres to be hilted elsewhere which is why you see them with rivets.

I have 6 Pioniere hilted Pack etched bayos and they are all with rivets.

The stag Pioniere with spanner bolts is the first one that I recall seeing this way.

Anyone have an opinion on the rivet vs spanner bolt theory?

John


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JohnZ #244170 05/01/2011 04:00 PM
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John,

The theory I've always heard was that Pack purchased variant hilts for some of it's Pioneer & Feuerwehr models from other manufacturers which was one potential explanation for the lack of spanner nuts on some Pack products. I have 5 Pack fire bayonets, all with different maker marks (of course). Only 1 of the 5 has spanner nuts, the other 4 have centered rivets. Some of those have very obviously non-Pack hilts, these are likely Horster IMHO.

That said, I have several distributor marked fire bayonets that are not Pack marked but clearly Pack produced with Pack hilts & offset rivets. I would say, based on own experiences with Pack Feuerwehr models that there are a number of variant grip/rivet/hilt configurations & any number of potential explanations but it's clear (at least to me) that Pack did indeed produce some Pioneer/Feuerwehr models on it's own while also procuring hilts from other manufacturers.


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Stingray, thank you for your posts on the pioneer bayonets, They are always a favorite. I am posting three Packs and the center one has the spanner nut attachments for the grips. I bought this years ago from Brian Maederer and it was around $500.00 at that time but I had never seen one before or since then until your posts started. I can tell you the blade is rough but I have never been able to up grade it so I have no complaints.
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Stingray, see what you started with those good looking Pack pioneer bayonets that you posted on your May 9th post.

You are bringing alive some nice pieces. Here is the latest etched Pack pioneer that I have just posted yesterday. It also needs to be over on this file.

Sincerely,
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We don't want this thread to disappear, do we?

So here it goes back to the top.

John


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Thanks John
Ok,so here is one more stag pioneer,and yes this one comes from Wayne Techet blush .

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Ivan,

Wow, you picked up Wayne's example too? I believe it came from Ron Weinand several years back. Great looking Pack lineup!


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Ivan:

I saw that small logo Pack several years back at an SOS. It is great that it has found a home with the Pack Man himself.

Congratulations,

John


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