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Hi Pat,
Im from Missouri, show me........
jim

To: Jim Toncar,

Yeah I can tell but I try not to make an opinon based on images. The exception is when it is one of the real obvious fakes that are out there. I think it's unfair to the dagger and the collector envolved. This not an authentication service.

Gailen David

Amen, Gailen! Even the best photos don't always tell the story. Nothing compares to a "hands on" examination by someone truly knowledgeable. A few self-styled "experts" can hurt a seller and his item when they don't know what they are talking about.

IMO there is nothing wrong with open hammer examples like Pat says its in the inscription

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Originally posted by Jim Toncar:
Hi Pat,
Im from Missouri, show me........
jim

Though all Rohm inscriptions share the same basic characteristics, all of them have unique features ( minute differences ) that will differentiate themselves from other makers.

When I look at a full Pack Rohm, I don't even bother looking at the maker marked, I simply look at the inscription and verify if it has that "unique" Pack configuration.

Now Sir, if you wish to know what are those unique characteristics, do some research, they are plenty of examples being listed on this forum.

If you have a Rohm dagger, send me your pics on my private e.mail address and will tell you if it is correct or not.

If wrong, I will tell you WHY !

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Originally posted by Pat:

quote:

Originally posted by Jim Toncar:
Hi Pat,
Im from Missouri, show me........
jim

Though all Rohm inscriptions share the same basic characteristics, all of them have unique features ( minute differences ) that will differentiate themselves from other makers.

When I look at a full Pack Rohm, I don't even bother looking at the maker marked, I simply look at the inscription and verify if it has that "unique" Pack configuration.

Now Sir, if you wish to know what are those unique characteristics, do some research, they are plenty of examples being listed on this forum.

If you have a Rohm dagger, send me your pics on my private e.mail address and will tell you if it is correct or not.

If wrong, I will tell you WHY !

Hi Pat,
I have a small interest in collecting Rohm daggers and have two of them , a full Herder and a Partially ground Herder, that said I always notice a lot conflict with E.Pack daggers as to who thinks what and why and always with no resolution ? So I was just trying to find out what to look for and every time I ask...... I certainly would not buy one without knowing what to look for , it would be like putting the cart before the horse ? when I ask on the Forum I get "this is not a authentication service " nice.
Anyway I guess this is the reason Im only looking for Rohms made by Boker or Eickorns .But thanks Pat but no thanks .
jimtoncar

There were only a couple of firms that made the templates for Rohm daggers. Eickhorn made their templates in house. Most of the other firms bought there templates from one of the other firms that made them. That's why there is some minor variations in the inscriptions but not much since it was facsmile of Rohms signiature. The Rohm inscription and the trademark where all part of the template.

Gailen

Gailen

Look, a lot of people come on this site with pictures fo Rohm daggers either to buy them or sell them. If they get a positive response to a Rohm they have pictures then they use that many times as selling point in there marketing. I don't think this forum was set up for that. I also don't think because someone on here likes a Rohm posted that it should be a recommendation to buy. That's why I said this is not an authentication service.

Gailen

Tim,

Pat's offer was genuine to help you. E-Pack Rohm dedications are unique compared to others as already mentioned. But this kind of details the guys "in-the-know" keep close to the vest nowadays due to the fakers who watch this very forum and improve their fakes.
Then afterward a faker (some suspect) would post an improved version here and ask something like "Hey Guys, found this thing tell me is it right? And if Not, point out why not."

As far as Gailen's comment...I'm sure it was not meant to offend. It is just "experience" talking. With so many posts of "Hey is this good?" Then coupled with poor photos they demand an answer. Then if you tell them your opinion...they will say..."Well I had this checked with Dagger God and Dagger Guru and they say your wrong!"
Besides these really need to be as Gailen says inspected "in Hand" except for the obvious fakes.

Anyway, if it was me and someone like Pat who knows what to look for in a period e-pack Rohm SA dedication offered to help me, I'd send him some real good photos.
-JMO-

Regards,
-serge-

Thanks Serge, you put it much better then I could have.

Gailen

Here is pack's Röhm dagger logo for comparsion.

Luko.

I have a question that I don't remember seeing answered before. Perhaps I'm wrong and it has been asked. But; Was the dagger makers logo applied at the same time as the Rohm dedication or were these independent operations?
Jim

The same time.

Thanks Gailen:
So logically since these Rohm daggers were only made for a short time the logo and dedication for a Pack for example should be identical in all instances? Or am I missing something here?
Jim

That's a very good question Jim, one I have also pondered for years. It seems there are at least 4 different "accepted" Pack logos used on Rohms, and given these daggers were only produced for a few months, it's kinda strange to me...

Red

Some of the minefield

For me personally, only 1 & 2 I really trust, who knows...

Red

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Originally posted by Gailen David:
The same time.

Gailen,

You sound fairly certain. I'm just curious, does TR period documentation exist that can substantiate this?

All the best ..

Mike Wipf

Mike, Long time no hear from. Years ago I think Frederick stephens did the research. Been to long for me to remember all the facts. If your asking if I was there then the answer is no.

Gailen

Thanks Gailen,

Good to hear from you. Like I said, just curious ..

Hopefully Frederick Stephens will chime in ..

All the best ..

Mike

Thank you Serge for the kind words.