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#21063 07/01/2009 02:30 PM
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I know of several E Pack maker marks, but have only this one in my collection.

Tom Kendall has shown a very rare Pack maker mark at some point on a thread here and I am hoping that he will post that mark here as well for our reference and enjoyment.

E_Pack_TM_Siegfried_Waffen.JPG (41.95 KB, 599 downloads)

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The last shot for this session is a Richard Plumacher TM.

BTW, Nacho, that is very nice. I am glad that people are finding this of some interest. I know that when I started thinking about collecting Luft2s by maker mark, I could find only a few references to the different makers. The first place I looked was in Tom Wittman's Luftwaffe book and I found some very good information there. But, it was not complete. I found more on various GDC threads and am hoping to put it all together into one thread here, along with pictures of what these marks are supposed to look like.

More to come once I have taken some more pictures (Puma, Spitzer, Stocker, Seilheimer).

John

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#21065 07/01/2009 06:42 PM
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Puma or Lauterjung & Sohne (not Lauterjung & Co) has the head of a puma as its logo. I have two versions of their TM to show you.

The first is the one with the cat's head in a diamond:

Puma_TM_Diamond.JPG (38.76 KB, 585 downloads)

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#21066 07/01/2009 06:43 PM
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The other Puma TM had the cat's head, but no diamond.

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#21067 07/01/2009 06:44 PM
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A. Schuttlehofer has the picture of two crossed hobby horses on their TM.

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#21068 07/01/2009 06:45 PM
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Paul Seilheimer has two maker marks pictured here.

The first one is the intertwined P & S initials.

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#21069 07/01/2009 06:46 PM
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The second TM is the Seilheimer dog with sword in teeth mark.

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#21070 07/01/2009 06:47 PM
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C Gustav Spitzer has a TM with a prancing lion:

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#21071 07/02/2009 01:43 AM
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Wow what a collection very nice


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#21072 07/02/2009 02:24 AM
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SUCH AN AWESOME THREAD!!!!!!!!!
Thank you!
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#21073 07/02/2009 04:38 AM
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Thanks, guys. We are not finished yet.

Tom, can you please post your Pack TM, the one without the Siegfried Waffen around the arch?

I am hoping that those of you with TM variations that are other than what is in this thread so far could post yours. I would really like to see all known Luft2 TM variations pictured in this thread.

John


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#21074 07/02/2009 12:58 PM
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Here it is -This is the only 2nd luft I have seen with this trademark. The blade is nickel plated.


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#21075 07/02/2009 02:56 PM
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Tom, I just love that. If you ever decide to part with it, I could find a good home for it in the frozen north Big Grin

On we go to Stocker & Co, also known as SMF. This company, along with Paul Weyersberg seem to have only all their produced Luft2s with waffen amp stamps.

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Lauterjung & Co used the trade name Tiger and the image of the striped cat in their TM.

The first one I have to show you is the very small TM:

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#21077 07/02/2009 02:59 PM
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Then there is the intermediate size one, look at the letters in the name, Tiger:

Tiger_TM_Medium_block_letters.JPG (40.22 KB, 457 downloads)

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Then there is the larger sized one... again look at the letters in 'Tiger':

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#21079 07/02/2009 03:03 PM
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Emil Voos is famous as a maker of etched blades for armies and Lufts and, even on unmarked blades, their etch is sought after.

I have two examples of the Voos TM on plain, but plated, blades.

The first one is the unadorned snake coiled around the tree stump with the name beside the image:

Voos_TM_no_oval.JPG (39.91 KB, 453 downloads)

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#21080 07/02/2009 03:04 PM
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The second is the same image but within a single oval.

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#21081 07/02/2009 03:08 PM
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Until I ran across this blade, I had never seen nor heard of G Weyersberg & Sohne (is that Gottfried?) as a maker of Luft2s.

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#21082 07/02/2009 03:09 PM
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Paul Weyersberg is the only other Luft2 maker that always seems to have a waffen amp stamp on their blades.

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#21083 07/02/2009 03:11 PM
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But, let's not forget Max Weyersberg or WMW.

The first mark is the name only:

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#21084 07/02/2009 03:12 PM
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The second WMW maker mark consists of the words WMW Waffen.

There is a third mark consisting of the letters WMW intertwined and inside of an oval. Maybe, someone could post one of those here.

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#21085 07/02/2009 03:14 PM
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WKC, or Weyersberg, Kirschbaum & Cie, is shown here in the most commonly seen version of their famous knight's head logo:

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#21086 07/02/2009 03:16 PM
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Anton Wingen Jr, or AW Jr, also produced blades under the mark of Othello.

There are several versions, I believe of their AW Jr logo, the one with a knight standing holding a sword by his side. This is the most commonly found one:

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#21087 07/02/2009 03:20 PM
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The last one that I have to show you of my maker marked Luft2s is that from the Viennese manufacturer, Ludwig Zeitler.

Zeitler made blades for the Austrian armed forces and, after the Anschluss, made blades for the Third Reich.

I know that there are at least three variations of their TM from a previous thread here on GDC.

I only have the one, a two line inscription of the name:

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#21088 07/02/2009 03:24 PM
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Well, guys, that's it for my TMs.

I am missing the following makers (and hope that some of you could post their marks here):

Chromolit
Arthur Evertz (AES)
Gebr Heller, Schmalkalden (the anchor)
Christianswerk
Aug Mertens
Undine (Kuno Ritter)

I have also heard that the following may exist, or may simply be the creation of our ingenious friends from what used to be behind the Iron Curtain:

I S Wolfertz
Klitterman & Moog
Aesculap

I also know that there are many variations to the marks posted in this thread. I would love to see them all.

This was fun.

John


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#21089 07/02/2009 06:33 PM
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JOHN,, VERY IMPRESSIVE TOP NOTCH COLLECTION AND WITH GREAT INFORMATION,,THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO INFORM US..............DAVE H

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WOW what a fantastic collection and thread
thank you so much for sharing this with us
Sean


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#21091 07/03/2009 01:26 AM
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Wonderful thread. Congratulations on a wonderful, and very focused, collection.

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John,

Thanks for posting your stupendous collection of Lufts, which I believe are rivaled only by your collection of etched bayonets. A great thread & one that's taught a number of us something. I wish you good luck in finding the rarest of the rare.


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#21093 07/03/2009 07:43 PM
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JOHN, Here is a pic of a EVERTZ 2nd LUF.

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#21094 07/04/2009 02:02 AM
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A fantastic stunning collection of luft2 u got John.
Thanks for the time and info in this superb tread Smile


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Thanks guys and thank you TripleT.

Let's keep them coming.

John


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Hey John
I wonder where you got those nice daggers Smile
I like the Hack's


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Bob:

Many of the current rare marks came from Washington state. You might remember some of them Big Grin.

Thank you,

John


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Yes Sir, I do Smile

It looks like you are gathering some very nice ones. Did you get my email?


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Very nice John
Thanks for sharing your goodies!

Bob

Glad to see you back!

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JohnZ the Klitterman and Moog may use the KLIHASO trade mark that I showed on a Heer dagger a while back

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Just curious what does AWS stand for in the late Alcoso trademark?

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Paul:

ACS was, I believe, the initials for Alexander Coppel Stahlwaren.

In 1936, the two Coppel brothers, Carl Gustav and Dr Alexander, were forced out of the company and only the non-Jewish Karl Reiche was allowed to stay as a partner in the new company. This allowed the NS party to buy from ACS.

In 1941, the name was changed to Alcoso Werk Stahlwaren, or AWS.

This info came out of the Fisher Quick reference Guide.

John


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