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#21023 06/30/2009 02:57 AM
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Well, I am going out on a limb and assuming that you will want to see a thread on Luft2 maker marks.

I will start with the letters A (Alcoso),B (Buchel) and C (Clemen & Jung) and post some marks.

If you are interested, maybe we can go all the way to the letter Z (Zeitler).

I have 4 Alcoso maker marks, and here they are:

ACS_along_blade.JPG (40.85 KB, 1358 downloads)

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ACS Script letters

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ACS Block Letters

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And, the late AWS version

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#21027 06/30/2009 02:59 AM
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I have only seen the one Rudolf Buchel mark

R_Buchel.JPG (39.78 KB, 1340 downloads)

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#21028 06/30/2009 03:00 AM
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And here is the Clemen & Jung

Clemen___Jung_TM.JPG (39.99 KB, 1332 downloads)

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#21029 06/30/2009 03:02 AM
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The Clemen & Jung has the crown/shield on the obverse.

I will stop for now, and if interest is there, I can continue with the letter E (Eickhorn, Esser & Co) and F (Fridericus).

John

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#21030 06/30/2009 02:11 PM
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show them all JOHN.

#21031 06/30/2009 05:51 PM
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Yes John please do. BTW your photography has come a looooooong way!!
This is the kind of thread I book mark and refer back to. Thanks for sharing.

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Today, I will post my 4 (yes 4) Eichorn TM variations and finish off the letter E with an Esser & Co

The first Eickhorn is what is probably a very early production 35-41 mark on a plated blade:

Eick_plated.JPG (38.81 KB, 1291 downloads)

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#21033 06/30/2009 06:27 PM
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The neat thing about this is the waffen amp stamp on the obverse of the blade (it is this that convinces me of its very early production):

Eick_plated_obv.JPG (39.47 KB, 1115 downloads)

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#21034 06/30/2009 06:28 PM
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Then, there is the standard 35-41 mark with squirrel holding sword:

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#21035 06/30/2009 06:29 PM
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Later, there was a small stamped version of the 35-41 mark:

Eick_small_stamped.JPG (39.46 KB, 1098 downloads)

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And, finally, the late over shoulder mark used by Eickhorn:

Eick_Over_shoulder.JPG (39.17 KB, 1089 downloads)

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#21037 06/30/2009 06:31 PM
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Esser & Co is commonly thought of as a distributor, not as a manufacturer. But, in this case, Esser & Co is the only mark on the blade, so it is a legitimate TM variation.

Esser___Co_TM.JPG (41.67 KB, 1087 downloads)

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#21038 06/30/2009 06:36 PM
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I know of at least two versions of the Fridericus TM, but have only this one.

I believe that Janos of this forum has a variation of this mark in his possession. Maybe, we could ask him to post it here for reference purposes. And, if anyone has versions of the previous marks that are not pictured here, I ask that they please post them into this thread.

Please do not post pictures of later letters until they show up here to keep things semi-organized.

I will be posting the letter H soon (today or tomorrow)... Hack, Henckels, Hast&Uhthoff, Gebr Heller, F Herder, RA Herder, Holler, Horster.

John

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#21039 06/30/2009 07:58 PM
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SmileFantastic tread John.Keep em coming Big Grin


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#21040 06/30/2009 08:25 PM
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John,
great thread, congrats!
Here is the photo of the Fridericus TM variant.
Your 2nd Luft collection is amazing! Eek

Janos

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Hi Janos.Nice to see ur Fridericus again Smile


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#21042 06/30/2009 09:20 PM
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Josef Hack, an uncommon maker of Luft2s (and Armies), is represented by two maker marks.

The first one is the more commonly known fish in an oval mark:

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#21043 06/30/2009 09:21 PM
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The second J Hack mark is the same fish, but no oaval:

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#21044 06/30/2009 09:23 PM
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Hast & Uhthoff is also known as a distributor, but this first maker mark is also the only mark on the blade.

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#21045 06/30/2009 09:24 PM
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The second version of the Hast & Uhthoff is this one, and it has a mark on the obverse. See next picture.

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The obverse to the above maker mark is a rat tail squirrel, indicating the Eickhorn firm:

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I also know of at least two J Henckels maker marks, this is the first one:

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#21048 06/30/2009 09:26 PM
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And this is the second Henckels TM that I have:

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#21049 06/30/2009 09:27 PM
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Gebr Heller, Marienthal is commonly known as the balloon man for obvious reasons:

Gebr_Heller_TM.jpg (39.27 KB, 826 downloads)

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#21050 06/30/2009 09:28 PM
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F Herder is the crossed keys TM

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#21051 06/30/2009 11:11 PM
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RA Herder version 1

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RA Herder version 2

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#21053 06/30/2009 11:12 PM
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Holler

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#21054 06/30/2009 11:13 PM
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E&F Horster in version 1

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E&F Horster in the same TM with Patent Pending mark:

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That's all for today.. tomorrow, we will do Klaas, and the two Krebs families.

John


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#21057 07/01/2009 01:52 PM
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Hi! My not so common Rich A. Herder variant, Great thread!

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I have two Klaas Luft2s, the so called 'funeral' dagger and a plain jane Luft2. Both have this trademark:

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I have two CJ Krebs, a small and a large mark.

The small mark looks like this:

CJ_Krebs_Small_TM.JPG (41.23 KB, 614 downloads)

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The large CJ Krebs:

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I know of only one PD Krebs mark, the lobster:

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PD Luneschloss:

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