#20474
08/19/2009 12:31 AM
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I just acquired this dagger out of the woodwork in the UK. Not much to tell, other than to say that the obverse reads, in Plattdeutsch, "Better off dead than a slave." Quite an interesting piece to say the least. Please note: the dagger came with another set of hangers (not this set) which have been retained with the dagger. This set is only for display.
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#20475
08/19/2009 12:31 AM
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#20476
08/19/2009 12:32 AM
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#20477
08/19/2009 03:27 AM
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Very nice dagger.. Is It made by Alcoso??? Regards: James
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#20478
08/19/2009 04:18 AM
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Hey Jim. No, I would guess Krebs if I had to - there is no maker's mark, but the small rosebud pattern is typical of their product, don't you think? I'll have to check the parts against the Wittmann Luftwaffe book to see if they are a match.
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#20479
08/19/2009 06:20 AM
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Extremely nice dagger. The blade is a beauty, also the rest of the dagger is in nice condition with gilded HK. Is the scabbard so dark because of an silver finish or is it the dark-blue variant? Will the dagger be for sale?
regards Medes
as Tom Johnson use to say: "...the story is really theirs to tell" now we will do...
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#20480
08/19/2009 06:44 AM
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A beautiful dagger. Love the lemon-yellow grip along with the golden details - very nice touch.
Regards Trond.
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#20481
08/19/2009 12:59 PM
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The scabbard appears to be silver plated, but I cannot be 100% certain. I'll have it on display at the MAX show. This one I will keep for a while, since I developed a relationship with the family I bought it from. It's got a history to it other than being a great dagger. Does anybody know what the initials say? Maybe BK, or KB?
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#20482
08/19/2009 01:12 PM
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Interesting inscription and I'm reading the initials as probably "HK". The damascus pattern appears to be rosebud. Have you had it apart to see if the tang is marked in any way? You might want to have the scabbard jeweler tested as I also believe,based up it's toning,that it's silver plated. What unique about the original hangers? Jim
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#20483
08/19/2009 06:53 PM
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of shure the Letters are B and K but nobody can say what is first and what last...
Regards Medes
as Tom Johnson use to say: "...the story is really theirs to tell" now we will do...
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#20484
08/19/2009 09:41 PM
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The general "rule" of monogrammed letters is usually the letter of the first name is highlighted by either embellishment, hatching or elevated position. What makes this tricky is if the recipient favoured his surname as dominant, often in the case of doctors or aristocratic surnames, the second letter may be highlighted and thus perceived as dominant.
This monogram appears to lean towards BK, but impossible to know for certain IMO. Exceptional dagger BTW...
Red
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#20485
08/19/2009 11:19 PM
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Hi Craig, did you come to the UK to buy it or was it sent, if you have been over here I sure wish I'd known and maybe made some effort to meet you, maybe next time?? I still own the few pieces I ever got from you.
Adrian (Nolan)
Guns Mr Nolan, I see no Guns!
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#20486
08/20/2009 03:04 AM
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Damast, you mention in your posting above the possibility of this blade being by Alcoso. I have a 2nd Luft with late "AWS" marked blade with this pattern. It seems to have been a fairly commonly used pattern during this period. I also have an Eickhorn Army with the same pattern. Nice dagger by the way Craig!
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#20487
08/20/2009 03:05 AM
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#20488
08/20/2009 03:44 AM
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Superb Dagger, Maxwell! Nolan: No I did not make it over to the UK for this transaction - it was handled via the post. I haven't been to the UK since last summer, but I think in 2010 I will make a visit, and maybe we can do a meeting at one of the collectors' houses. Time-before-last, I stayed with Gary Southgate, and we went to Matt Mier's house for a collector conference, and it was a blast! I think that I should pay attention to the fittings on this piece. Maybe they will reveal who made this piece. The tang is unmarked.
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#20489
08/20/2009 07:36 AM
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Can't remember but the way the letters are intertwined tells you which order they should be seen on a post here but cant find it or perhaps it was in one of TJ or TWs books
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#20490
08/24/2009 02:06 AM
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Craig, beauty, I have handled numerous personalized examples my vote is KB, do you see how the top and bottom of the legs in the "K" are over top of the B and the 2nd half of the K legs are tucked under, also the B seems to be what jumps out at you when you look outward from the dagger leading me to believe the B is the first letter of the last name anyhow great dagger
"Drive Fast and Take Chances" Author... Roy Carroll
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#20491
08/24/2009 09:16 AM
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Maxwell, I would love to see more of that Eickhorn army dagger, to find an original wire wrap is rare enough but to have it personalised and with a damascus blade!. What a great piece.
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#20492
08/25/2009 03:24 AM
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Hello Degens, I do not want to derail Craig's thread .... I just put these pieces on as examples of similar pattern rose bud. I will mail you. Thanks!
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#20493
08/25/2009 03:48 AM
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Roy: Great to see you online! Coming to MAX this year? Maxwell: no problem with posting other pics of your dagger here: it's an awesome piece.
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#20494
08/25/2009 01:57 PM
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quote: Maxwell, I would love to see more of that Eickhorn army dagger, to find an original wire wrap is rare enough but to have it personalised and with a damascus blade!. What a great piece.
We have to remember that all the blades pictured are not a true damascus.... They are acid etched patterns to look like a damascus pattern. As we know the daggers pictured above are very nice and also quite rare....The reason why I asked if it is Alcoso is because I have seen a similar Alcoso in the past with a (etched pattern damascus) presentation blade..Nice goodies. Regards: James
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