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Ok, I am finally getting around to asking the real buckle guys what is the story on DJ Buckles.

I have seen the single �Sig Rune� buckle, which apparently is the real one. Both with a brass �rune� and with a silver. (Both good? Or just the brass?)

I have seen some Silver ones with a red plastic oval with white circle and swastika in the center selling as �early DJ.� Pictures look like good construction, but I never heard of this one.

Lastly is the brass, about 1.5� square, with Swastika stamped in square border. I have pretty much dismissed these, but I also haven�t run across anybody that has told me if these are known �fantasy� items either.

So what�s the story on all of these?

John

You pose a very interesting question here and one where there are still many loose ends, continuing discussions and heated debate.

The "standard" size HJ and DJ buckles probably appeared in the very early 1930's as of course pre RZM, although the DJ was phased out in possibly late 1936. During this period, various buckle manufacturers realised the potential DJ market (initially without regulations as pre RZM) and produced numerous variations of the single rune design. It was only with the introduction of the RZM, that the buckle became standardised in the well known form of a nickle plated box, with a regular sized and proportioned "exposed" brass and then coated rune.

Dozens of variation DJ buckles exist and if you allow me until the weekend, I will post some images.

The smaller size buckle is not my area of collecting, however I am a little nervous that very often, some of these simply commercial trouser belt buckles, are elevated in status and described as early DJ or HJ.

There was an early period youth organisation as NSDAP Jugend, strongly associated with the SA, rather than being DJ or HJ proper. These chaps accordingly wore a 35mm version of the SA buckle and which was probably worn throughout most of the 1920's.

The other buckles that you refer to however are again and in my opinion commercial pieces. Targeting NSDAP supporters of course, although having a strong attraction to young persons due to the small size of the buckle. More than likely that the manufacturers realised this and then started to design trouser buckles with a slight youth theme. Otherwise, I really think that they are no more than a commercial and then freely available trouser buckle, essentially available to anybody.

Will post some DJ images over the weekend.

Regards,

David

John

Images of various DJ buckles, somewhat earlier than what I thought I could post them.

Regards,

David

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David,
Thank you for taking so much time to post these photos. I really had no idea that this many variations existed. My DJ was not shown, being a solid brass base that has been plated and then had the upper surface of the rune buffed to show the brass. It is an A&S and also RZM marked, so as a later Assmann I would guess it is a common variation.

I'd like to know where this term "Sieg Rune" originally came from as pertains to this particular buckle; did it originate from some early reference book on buckles, being passed down the line & repeated in every following new reference book, or did it originate from some wartime HJ-DJ manual?? or did it start with some old gun show dealer's wild imagination? I know what "Sieg Rune" means so have no need for an explanation of this term, all I would like to know is who came up with the idea that the rune on the DJ buckle is an "S"?? The old original runes chart I have in an original Nazi wartime published book, shows this runic design to be a "J"; there's another very similar rune which is designated as a "S", which is the "S" used by the SS, standing for Schutz Staffel; it only makes sense to me that the particular runic design on these DJ buckles, being a "J", stands for "Jugend".

Any other DJ buckles to add?

--dj--Joe