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In an attempt to save this older thread I am moving content to this new heading.
Don Scowen started this thread with this image.
Thanks Don, --dj--Joe
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Fancy meeeting you here Don! Nice detail on the pin!
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Thats a lovely little pin you have got there Don.
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Thanks lads. Hi Dion, it's a small world isn't it  Cheers Don
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The SAR is a nice pin. It's unusual to find one with a nice maker's mark like yours.
By the way, most people don't realize the central device is an old style military hat (shako).
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The SAR is a nice pin. It's unusual to find one with a nice maker's mark like yours.
By the way, most people don't realize the central device is an old style military hat (shako).
Stephen. I've had one of these for years and always wondered what the middle bit was. You're right - it's a shako! Do you know what significance the wings had for the SA reserve??
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Nice score Don. 
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I didn�t notice that before, but now that you mentioned it! Thanks for the info Stephen.
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Good addition to your collection.
What is the makers mark if you don't mind? What I can make out looks like a crown atop a shield enclosing a letter.
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Well I never..... A shako indeed, so it is, I hadn't seen it either, thanks Stephen.
The maker mark is HB under a crown, I couldn't get a decent shot of it, sorry.
I also have a neat pic of one in wear.
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Don
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I suspect the wings are simply eagle wings taken from the Hoheitsabzeichen (party lapel eagle), and have nothing to do with flight. Next I suppose you'll want to know what the G-H-L on the early Frauenschaft badges stands for (and JR Cone says are unknown)
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OK Stephen, you knew I'd bite didn't you?  I've often wondered what this stood for..... Please enlighten me  Cheers Don
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Hi Don,
Sorry to be such a tease.
Cone in "One People, One Reich" says no one knows what the G-H-L stands for on 2nd pattern Frauenshaft badges. Drum roll please...
It stands for "Glaube, Hoffe, Liebe", otherwise known as "Faith, Hope & Love" taken from Saint Paul's Letter to the Ephesians (often mistranslated as "Faith, Hope & Charity").
One collecting mystery down, a couple million to go...
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Hi Stephen, Thanks for clearing that mistery up for me. As I mentioned before, I had often pondered over the meaning of those letters.  Cheers Don
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How does this one look ? The enamel is good, you'll see a glare under the swastika (from the scanner).
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Jamie, from what I see it appears good. Congrats.
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Same with me, looks fine. I haven't yet seen one of these that looks like it's a fake. bet they have been thou'.....  Cheers Don
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Thanks for the comments.
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Any others out there? Different maker marks? Show 'em if ya got 'em. --dj--Joe
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Gents,
I'm glad to be able to add to this interesting thread.
Don - same maker but check out the differences.
Best to all!
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Nice one Bill. I doubt that the differences are as much as they seem. When I took those images 3 years ago I was trying to get used to a new camera & took the pix in direct sun  Bye the way, not sure if you saw it on an recent post but I think we can now safely say that this maker was Hermann Bauer, Schw�bisch, Gm�nd. They used an identical mark on their silverware. Cheers Don
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I'll take this opportunity to add my images. Same maker though. Obverse. --dj--Joe
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Reverse. The spiral marks on the pin are different. --dj--Joe
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Nice one Joe. In fact, now that you mention it we have three different knurling types with the same maker. Mine, Bill's & yours are all different. I have often suspected that many of the badge/pin manufacturers bought in the attaching pins & fixings in bulk from specialist makers. Somewhere (although at the moment it escapes me exactly where ) I've seen a period add for them... I'll have to have a hunt around. Cheers Don
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Just picked up this one for Christmas. Can give more details, particularly regarding the maker's mark when it arrives. ~ Ian
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GDC Gold Badge #0204
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Now that does look interesting, can't say I've seen that mark before.....
Looking forward to seeing more.
Cheers
Don
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Don, did you have any luck finding the period add for knurled pins? Sounds interesting.
Ian, could you give us a close up of your maker mark? It's a new one for me.
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quote: Originally posted by derjager:
Don, did you have any luck finding the period add for knurled pins? Sounds interesting.
--dj--Joe
Indeed I did Joe, but only about two weeks ago!! It was an ad from "Der Uniformen-Markt" shown in Frank Heukemes book on the General Assault Badge to illustrate the same point. Here's a scan from page 414 of Frank's book. ad.jpg (38.63 KB, 183 downloads)
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Here's a closer shot of the ad.
As it's taken from a period paper the illustration in the book isn't that good due to the "dot print" used during that period.
Again credit to the book "The General Assault Badge" by Frank Heukemes.
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Thanks for passing along this information Don. I wonder if there are other manufacturers adds out there somewhere that show different pins and pin retaining bases?
This is most usefull. I recognize most of these attachments. I can picture them now on enamel badges, stickpins, tinnies, red cross and RAD broaches etc.
Regards,--dj--Joe
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quote: Originally posted by Don Scowen:
Well I never..... A shako indeed, so it is, I hadn't seen it either, thanks Stephen.
Hello there, Well, I don't see it and would appreciate some help.... William Kramer
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William, perhaps this picture seen head-on will help..the depiction of the Tschako on the pin is actually closer to a French style than German..image from military heritage.com
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Here's another maker I found in my files. Don't seem to have the actual pin anymore Cheers Don
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Where did I just see an S mark with dashes around it on one of these?
Funny that there aren't more inwear pictures of this pin about.
--dj--Joe
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quote: Originally posted by derjager:
Where did I just see an S mark with dashes around it on one of these?
Funny that there aren't more inwear pictures of this pin about.
--dj--Joe
Ah, now that would be telling Here's another pic I have.
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