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thank you donald there does not seem be eny think
in the angolia book that i see to what title no 37 linz standart honor title ? strurm honor title? there is no sign at all of one been there no discoloration at all every

ernst kaltenbrumner 15 june 1934 -15 june 1935

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Originally posted by judas:
thank you donald there does not seem be eny think
in the angolia book that i see to what title no 37 linz standart honor title ? strurm honor title? there is no sign at all of one been there no discoloration at all every

There are those men who served without a cuff title, especially in the Austrian case, seemingly. Gary Wood illustrated many examples on the WAF site. However, I have found a lot of otherwise organic regalia stripped of cuff titles. Because a huge pile of authentic cuff titles recently surfaced here in California, these can be had cheaply. They are the model of post-1937 make, with the alu borders and alu. Sturm #. They would fit on your tunic, which also originated in California, I believe. That is to say, it surfaced in California, while originating in Upper Austria.

Wonderful items on display guys, thank you very much for puttin' on the displays.

Rgds,

Davey

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Originally posted by Dave T.:
Scott....Pez Dispensers are German also....did you know that?

I thought Pez dispensers were Austrian? I could be wrong.and yes..they are faked..what isnt that is worth money? Regardless.I'd rather have the Black items than the pez dispensers.hopefully one dya I can put at least one nice black NCO set together..right now I have just combat and camo SS sets,,,focusing on SS Panzer.SS camo .dot pattern..cold weather winter garments..combat tunics..etc etc....but the black is obvioulsy very seductive and impressive

more regalia....notice here how these badges do not match. Likely the Hoheitszeichen was added in 1936 at some point....this very dark Deschler badge is also typical of the 1st generation of same---likely very neusilber with a buntmetall Unterlage.

A further image from the Schatzkammer Coleman, a tunic of a Motor unit. We now have images of cavalry and Nachrichten units, thanks to Douglas Ostermann. Notice the early cap with the leather peak; notice, as well, the Kragenumfassung of the pattern prior to late-1934, with the cotton and black textile. Very rare and pleasing regalia. These specialized units of the Allgem.SS were reduced in force from the Machtergreifung to the eve of the war, hence they are doubly rare....

This is the cap, itself. Once more, the Schatzkammer Coleman, one of the leading collections in the entire world.

Here, to keep this thread going, is an image of a very nice SS visor cap I once owned. A nice big size 60 with all the SS "bells and whistles" collectors like to see.

Cheers,

Bravo, a very nice piece from the equally important Schatzkammer Pajot. Notice how the cap spring rises above the crown piping in a most pleasing way. One of many C Wagner Lieferungsmuetzen of the era 1938/9. This one had the Verwaltungsamt issue stamp as I recall. Viel Sammlerglueck.

another image of note...again, from the Sammlung Coleman.

VERY nice collections! Does your wifes mind these diplays? Mine hates my collection!

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Originally posted by VonRader:
VERY nice collections! Does your wifes mind these diplays? Mine hates my collection!

Your not alone, brother.

I dont even have a collection room for my stuff yet. I will have to wait for another couple of years, until my step daughter graduates HS(my step daughter would flip!!!).

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Originally posted by Donald Abenheim:
another image of note...again, from the Sammlung Coleman.

A real oddity of this tunic is the driver badge is mounted on the right cuff, not on the left forearm as prescribed

Indded a very nice tunic Bob. It is always very interesting to see the odds in their regulations, and they got a lot of them.

My mischief has a positive result. Thanks to colleague Coleman for his patience with my filching his images. To colleague Hassler: I am still in dutch to you for our deal. I shall make it good ganz gleich. I should also add that we all have managed to post more authentic and notable SS material than is otherwise found hereabouts, even on the other website where some of us post. Thanks to all for their wonderful material.

A cap badge, an early Deschler in a state of remarkable preservation. This one has merely the "52" on its reverse.

another of the early tags....note the rivet as a means of anchoring the Sturmriemen. Notice, as well that this SS Mann entered his # in the correct spot; further, this cap appears to have two RZM Zulassung #'s. It is similar to the cap posted by Colleague Ostermann.

a side view of the cap above with the unmatched badges....somewhat rakish, even if not a Sattelform. Viel Sammlerglueck.

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Originally posted by Donald Abenheim:
Bravo, a very nice piece from the equally important Schatzkammer Pajot. Notice how the cap spring rises above the crown piping in a most pleasing way. One of many C Wagner Lieferungsmuetzen of the era 1938/9. This one had the Verwaltungsamt issue stamp as I recall. Viel Sammlerglueck.

That is correct, Donald. This cap had the VA1938 stamp inside.

Cheers,

A wonderful piece. These stamps are seldom seen, and usually in the years 1937 and 1938, especially. I believe that 1938 was a year of exceptional growth in SS membership; or the caps all got replaced...no man can say...

Another black woolen sleeve...an officer in the Saarbruecken regiment in the staff of the 1st Sturmbann.

More from the Schatzkammer Coleman....eine Muetze fuer die Dienstgrade vom Untersturmfuehrer bis Sta. Fuehrer....

Further of the Coleman woolen miracles...the cuff tile of pre-1938 pattern for the Motorstaffel tunic seen above...

A collar detail from an SSTV Montur in this most important collection...

The exterior of the cap from Coleman illustrated above.

Black woolens in large clumps....more than most of us shall ever see in one spot in a life time...these from the Coleman Schatzgruft. Notice the extraordinary things in the background, as well...when one writes of viel Sammlerglueck, then this idea finds its woolen incarnation in this image...One of these textiles in the background is the tunic of an SA Hauptsturmfuehrer and Blutordenstraeger from Steyr/Oberoesterreich, a highly decorated figure of the KuK Armee, later a so-called "illegal," who likely was put in the slammer by the Austrofascists/Staendestaat people after the July 1934 Putsch against Dollfuss on the Ballhausplatz and elsewhere, Unternehmen Elementarereignis. Such remarkable items as this are quite typical of this collection, to which I have contributed in a small way.

Grey belongs to black, to be sure in this case. The black caps have their grey brothers...

This is the twin of the Hagen/Westfalen tunic posted much earlier above in this heap of woolens....this tunic, as well, is in the Coleman collection.

The collar in detail....

This tunic resides in another collection, and was the property of the same owner in the years 1934-1940 or so....this photo courtesy of Schatzkammer Pajot. I shall cease now, and wish all owners of fetid black woolens viel Sammlerglueck! We can aspire to secure but a fraction of what resides in the Land of Lincoln. Postscriptum: I would add that the above are something other than the clothing of the most darling, dashing Knights Cross winners of the regime. These textile likely belonged to forgotten men of national socialism, whose names we shall never divine by the most remarkable artifice. However, they strike me as just as interesting and compelling as any ballyhooed personality piece.

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Originally posted by pvon:
maker number 4

Wagner I believe or something!

Glad to see you've still got that cap, I really do miss it!
Cheers
Ben

interior of early cap in Coleman treasures. An ideal configuration, much desired by seekers of black textiles.

This cap popped up here ca. 2002. Where is it now? An early piece, too. It was a Sonderanfertigung. The little Totenkopf is rather over the top, but J Pepera has a similar piece. This cap illstrated here has a Muetzenkordel with Silbergespinst, which one sees in early caps, also of the Rw.

This is the interior of the above cap, as seen darkly across the gulf of time. Where does this black woolen reside? Who takes joy from its appearance, or has it, too, gone into oblivion like so many others?

Here is a tag from about 1937, the advent of what I believe are the 1st of the black tags...these are also faked.

Here a Baltic stinker of same...

Another poisonous little piece of fabric... this one is pretty inept. Viel Sammlerglueck. My effort at an encyclopaedia of fetid black woolens has run aground on the 75 k limit in these climes.

Wonderful job Donald!

I see many of Bob Colemans also shared
here!

The visor with army eagle I posted in 02
from pictures I have when I owned it!

It came with a cuff title and things and
Flossenburg camp marked items!

Amazing as you state these black woolies
have survived due to its past!

Hope this thread keeps adding more hidden treasures!

PVON

Donnerwetter! I had not realized that the officer's cap had been yours. Oh well. Do get it back somehow. Bob Coleman gave me dispensation to share jsut a few of the remarkable things in his treasure chest. I have run out of little pictures, sadly. This shall have to do for awhile. Someone else can share the burden. The older I get and still discover these things, or share in the discovery of others, how these things endure especially across the 1940s 'til the 1980s does interest me. In some case, I was a witness; in most others, it is a matter of conjecture.