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Dave Cameron
Posted 06 November 2003 17:05
As suggested by another member, I�m going to start branch specific uniform threads. It seems that great uniforms are scattered across are 6,750 postings on 18 pages and to cover all branches on a single thread could be cumbersome. It is a mutual feeling that this consolidation of branch specific uniforms into one thread will perhaps provide an easier reference for visiting collectors.

I'm sure Pat will recognize this picture of a great tunic he sent my way!

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Ernst H


Posted 06 November 2003 17:37
My Zugwachtmeister tunic from the city of Dortmund. Dated 1940.

Ernst
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Ernst H


Posted 06 November 2003 17:38
My Major tunic.

Ernst
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Gary8
Posted 06 November 2003 22:43
My private purchase winter greatcoat for a major


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Gary8
Posted 06 November 2003 22:45
back


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Gary8
Posted 06 November 2003 22:47
collar


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Gary8
Posted 06 November 2003 22:49
board


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Gary8
Posted 06 November 2003 22:51
tag


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ORPO

Posted 07 November 2003 11:33
A tailor made SCHUPO Revierleutnant tunic with Hellgrun piping in parade dress.

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ORPO

Posted 07 November 2003 11:40
Bright aluminum shoulder board with brown and green double piping.

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ORPO

Posted 07 November 2003 11:46
Bright aluminum machine sewn collar tabs on brown collar with two hook closure.

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ORPO

Posted 07 November 2003 11:51
Bright aluminum sleeve eagle.

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ORPO

Posted 07 November 2003 12:03
Back showing Bandeliertasche in black leather and bright aluminum Bandelier. The open claw parade belt is white leather but a bright aluminum belt with round police buckle was normally worn on parade.

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ORPO

Posted 09 November 2003 13:46
Great textbook uniform examples...let's keep puting them up. I believe these threads will make nice reference pages for anyone looking for exemplars. I will post a period color plate by Kn�tel for each topic that has examples.

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Gary8
Posted 12 November 2003 13:17
Orpo that is a very nice set up. Here is my piece of green to please your eyes.


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Gary8
Posted 12 November 2003 13:21
Tarnished but outstanding collar patches


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Gary8
Posted 12 November 2003 13:26
shouldernoards are also quite nice


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Gary8
Posted 12 November 2003 13:30
Runes

Gary8
Posted 12 November 2003 13:35
Nice looking eagle with both bullion and cellion wire


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Gary8
Posted 12 November 2003 13:40
Back


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ORPO

Posted 12 November 2003 14:47
Gary,

I am duly impressed! Is your Generalmajor tunic identified or have provinance? Interesting sleeve eagle. I have seen this mix of bullion and cellion on the wings of the police eagle before. Now that I think about it, I believe I have one on a Gendarmerie tunic.

George

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Gary8
Posted 12 November 2003 17:24
Here is the name tag, do not know if it os correct or not but the tag is made out to a Brunner


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ORPO

Posted 12 November 2003 23:42
SS-Brigadef�hrer u. Generalmajor d. Polizei Karl Brunner. Promoted to Pol Oberst 19 April 1941 and Pol Generalmajor 21 October 1942 I believe. Since your tag is dated 1941 is there any sign he upgraded the tunic when he was promoted to Generalmajor in 1942? He had the IC 1st and 2nd class as well as the KVC 1st with swords and the gold sports badge pinback awards.

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Gary8
Posted 13 November 2003 12:52
Hi Orpo. Looks like the tunic has had a few changes in the past to include the manufaturer.

If you look at the shoulderboard yoy can see a loose thread.

The lining looks as though it has also seen a few changes. Here is a picture of the other markings for a Bremen taylor while the tag is a Berlin taylor


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Gary8
Posted 13 November 2003 12:53
Hi Orpo Looks like there has been one or two changes to include the manufacturer.

If you look at the shoulderboard you can see a loose thread. Some of the lining looks as though it has been altered professionaly. Here are the additional markings.


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patrick
Posted 13 November 2003 18:55
Gary if you wanted to get ride of that Genl's tunic I don't need my left arm.

I have a few more SchPo tunic's but have not gotten the film developed yet.

Pat

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patrick
Posted 13 November 2003 18:55
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ORPO

Posted 14 November 2003 11:15
Very nice tunic Pat...get the rest of your film developed, those are nice pix! It looks like he was afraid he would lose that ribbon bar doesn't it?

Gary, let's see if we can do some detective work on your tunic with deductive reasoning. Can you read the month date on the Berlin tag? Brunner served in Berlin at the RSHA Personnel Office from March '41 while he was a Pol Oberst. His other service was in the South, in Munich, the Tyrol, Salzburg, and Italy where he was captured in '45. He was not stationed in the North (Bremen), so one would not expect to see a Bremen tailor marking in his tunic. He did receive the Spang to the IC 2nd and wore it on his SS tunic in the same manner as on your Pol Generalmajor tunic. He had three breast badges, which would equate to the three sets of loops on your tunic, but he did not receive the third one (IC 1st) until 1945, so there should only be two loops until that time. You might check to see if there is any reworking of the badge loops. I hope this helps.

George

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Gary8
Posted 14 November 2003 17:32
Hi George

I wondered about the Bremen markings myself. I have his complete records from 1934 until 1945 and some orders but I still did not find anything that mentions Bremen. I am purplexed to these markings, maybe a favorate holiday destination?? maybe a big chain of taylors with the main office in Bremen?? who knows. I dont, wish I could go back and ask him.

Also noticed that the collar has been comletely reworked, looks like this one has been added probably to accomadate the collar patches. All the buttons on the front have been restitched which cannot be seen from the outside but there are one or two different colour green threads on the inside.

All-in-all even with the Bremen anomoly I still think it is a spectacular original upgraded piece, and I would not part with it for all the tea in China.

I think it is dated November,I will have to get it out and check it.
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patrick
Posted 14 November 2003 19:20
A few more SchPo tunic's. All of my enlisted tunic's need a cleaning.

Pat

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patrick
Posted 14 November 2003 19:20
side

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patrick
Posted 14 November 2003 19:21
Another meister rank BLA BLA

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patrick
Posted 14 November 2003 19:23
another side1

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ORPO

Posted 04 December 2003 21:24
Pat,

Here is a nice enlisted greatcoat to go along with your EM SCHUPO tunics. Unlike Gary's tailor made officer greatcoat, this one is a heavyweight that has a full blanket lining. It has the brown collar with green piping that was worn before the collar cloth was made in the same color as the coat. You will also notice that the coat tails hook up under the pocket flaps and the belted back to get them out of the way. I presume this is so the fellow could ride a bicycle, but I have not seen this on other coats. It appears the hooks and eyes were put in when the coat was manufactured as they are covered with little pieces of matching cloth.

George

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ORPO

Posted 04 December 2003 21:34
Sewn in Schutzpolizei Wachtmeister shoulder boards. The greatcoat has a tag with the owners name and number, but no maker or issue date.

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ORPO

Posted 01 January 2004 10:20
Summer weight wool Schupo Mantel for Oberarzt Medical Doctor. This lightweight greatcoat is made from hard finished summer weight wool and has a brown sateen lining with a sword slot. It is made in the standard cut for Police Officers coats, but it has no piping on the brown collar. When found, it had yellow powder residue in the pockets that turned out to be antiseptic sulfa powder.

George

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ORPO

Posted 01 January 2004 10:36
Sewn-in Shoulderboards for an Oberarzt. The Oberleutnant style shoulder boards have bright aluminum tops and Komblumenblau underlay bottoms. The pip and aesculap are gilt indicating rank and service.

George

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Dave Cameron
Posted 01 January 2004 12:12
Hello George!
That is a most interesting Schupo Mantel for Oberarzt you posted! The blue colored underlay shoulder straps have been a subject of interest in several past threads. Glad to finally see some of this subject material as I�ve often wondered if any of it was around! Thanks for sharing!
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ORPO

Posted 01 January 2004 17:17
Gary, I think the medical branch uniforms of the police are very rarely encountered as there were obviously very few police medical personnel. Most photos I have seen show docs in white lab coats, although stretcher bearers are uniformed wearing the red cross armband. There is one photo of a Polizei Division doc in uniform in Angolia's book on SS insigina I believe, but you cannot tell the color of the boards, tabs, or piping of course. Same thing applies to the Veterin�r branch with black Kragenspiegel.

Dave, I think the Mantel is interesting both because it is from the medical branch and because it is a lightweight greatcoat. In my experience, the lightweight greatcoats are few and far between. It seems the medical collar tabs and shoulder boards were perhaps, at different times, both green and blue backed according to published regulations. I think the tunic piping was always green, but I would certainly love to find a blue piped one that is not related to the Kommunalpolizei. It is also interesting that the brown collar of this coat is made without any piping. That certainly elimates the question of piping color. I think the regulations were pretty vague and perhaps not fully understood by the doctors and tailors as well. I will let Joe or Ernst comment on regs.

George

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Dave Cameron
Posted 01 January 2004 22:53
Oh, I didn�t notice the brown collar was made without piping until you mentioned it! Wouldn�t blue piping be something!

If memory serves me correctly, Joe has been most helpful in the past with regulations/thoughts pertaining to this subject. In fact, I believe he posted a pol. tunic with blue collar tabs before?
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