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#196387 10/19/2006 12:51 PM
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This will be a log of Gau marks & Makers used to establish rarity. Post your SA Maker and Gau mark below and I will transfer reults to this page.

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Aesculap, Tuttlingen . Sw; Sw; Sw; Wm; Sw; Sw;Sw;
AMSO - See Mebus, Albert
Asso (Schuttelhoffer). Ns; Ns;Sa;No;
Axt und Hauerfabrik ..Sa; Nrh; Wf; No;Sa;Wf;Nrh;
Backhaus, F W ..Ns
Bahrl, Julius
Balke & Sohne, Rich . Wf;Wf;Wf;
Barthelmess, Fritz . Fr;Fr;Fr;
Becker, Eduard He;
Becker Gebr .. No; Wf; No;Ns
Bell, gebr . He; Bo
Bender, Carl Ha
Berns, Gebr .Ho+A37
Berns, Hugo
Bertram, C. Reinh. Sohn
Bickel, August .. He; Bo; Mi;Mi;Mi;Fr
Bismark
Bocker, Karl ... P;
Bodenstein, Julius
Bohme Gebr .. Sa;Th;
Bonsmann, E . P;
Bontgen & Sabin .. No;
Born Gebr .. Wf;
Brosy F. Von . Ho;OST; Ha;
Bruckman, Ernst .. Ho; Wm; Ho;
Buchel, Rudolf Ns
Bulldog ... Nrh; Ho; Ho;
Busch, Ernst
Christians, Gebr Nrh; Nrh; Nrh;Nrh;Nrh
Chromolit . S; NmS;
Cleff, Ewald
Clemen & jung
Curdts Natchf .. Ho
Dick, F . Sw;Sw;Wm;Wm;Sw;He;Wm;Sw;Sw;Sw;Sw;Wm;
Dirlam, Ernst
Dirlam & Sohn, J.
Dittert, JE Sa;
Dorschel Albert .. Wm;
Drees & sohn, Rich S
Ebel, Paul Wf;Wf;
Eickelnberg & Mack
Eickhorn, Carl ... Ns;No;No;Wf;Wf;He;Wf;Ha;He;Ns;
No;Nrh;S;Fr;Wf;Bo;Ha;Fr;Wf;Wf;Nm;Fr;Wf;Wf;Ha;Wf;Wf;S;

Eppenstein & Sohne, Carl Nm;NmWm;
Felix, Gustav .. Wm;Wm
Geigis, Friedrich Ns;
Grembruch, Ed
Gierling, Emil .. Wf;Wf;O;
Giersch, Rob Wm
Geisen & Forsthoff . Ns;S;
Grafrath, Gebr
Grah, Carl
Grah, Ernst
Grah, Reinhold Wf;Om;
Groten, Ludwig Wf;Ns;
Haas, Carl
Haastert & Bull .. B; He;
HACO, Berlin . B;B;B;B;B;B;
Haenel, C.G., Suhl . Sa; Th; Sa;Sa;Sa;Sa;Mi;Sa;Sa;Da;
Haering, Eugen .. Wf;Wf;
Hahn, Hermann Om;S;
Haker, Gustave .. H
Halbach, Wilhelm
Halbach, Carl
Hammesfahr & Cie ...OST;No;P;He;S;
Hartkopf & CoNm
Hartkopf, Rich
Heidelberg, Carl . P; Wf;
Helbig, F&A
Heller, Gebr, Schmalkalden . Sa;Bo;Mi;Sa;Bo;Mi;
Heller, Gebr, Marienthal.Th;Th;Th;
Henkels, J.A. . OST; Wf; W;Nrh;Bo;Wf;OST;BO;
Henckels, Paul
Henckel & Muller+A202
Herbeck & Meyer .No;Nrh
Herbertz & Meurer . He;
Herder, H . He
Herder, F . Nrh; Wf; Wf; Wm;Wf;Nrh;Ost;Nrh;Ns
Herder & Engels
Herder, Rich. Abr .. Wm
Herder, Robert ..Nrh;Wm
Herder & Sohn Ns;
Holler, F.W . Wm;Wm:Wm;
Hoppe, Curt . Ha;
Hoppe Sohne, Gottfr...Nm;
Hoppe, Wilhelm ..Wf
Horster, E&F ...Nrh
Jacobs, C. Rud.
Jacobs & Co He;
Johanneswerk
Justinuswerk ... He; Bo;Bo;He;He;
Jordan, F.W ... He;
Kaiser. Emil Nm;Om;
Kaldenbach, Karl Robert P;
Kaufmann & Sohne ... Ns; Nrh; Nrh
Kayser, C.F. .. No
Kemper, Ernst . No;Nrh;
Kirschbaum, F.A.
Klittermann & Moog.Nrh;
Kloos, Carl
Knecht, A. No;
Knecht & Co, E. .Nm;
Kober & Co, Wm Th; Th;Th; He;Th;Th;Th;Th;Sa;Th;Wf;Ns;
Kohl Paul . Nrh
Kohlen, Fr.V.D.
Koller, G.L. .. P
Koller, Hugo ... Nh; He
Konejung, Herm He;
Krebs, Carl Julius
Krebs, Pet Dan .. Nrh; Ho;Nrh
Krieger, Wilhelm Wf
Krom, HCH, Munich .Ho;
Krumm, Gebr ..Om
Krusius, Gebr . B;Nrh
Kuhrt, Karl Fr. . No;
Kullenberg, Aug.
Lauterjung, H&F ..Wm;
Leupold, Johann . Fr; Fr;Fr
Leuco or Levco Fr
Linder, Carl
Linder, Carl & Robert .Ns
Linder, Herm. Sohn
Linder & Sohn, Hugo C.W.Wf
Linder, Otto .P;
Linder, Hugo Wm;Wm
Louper . S; No
Luneschloss, P.D. ..P; S;
Lungstrass, Peter
Lutters & Co, C. .Ns;
Malsch, Aug .Th;
Malsch, David ..He;
Malsch, Karl
Malsch & Ambrom . Sa; Sa;Sa;Sa;Sa Sa;Sa;Sa;Sa;Th;Mi;Sa;
Malsch - Spitzer, Karl Mi;Mi;Mi;
May & vom Hau ..Ho;Fr;
Mebus, Albert (Amso) Ho;
Meis, Carl August Wm;
Melcher, Artur
Melzer & Feller Fr
Merten, August . S; Ho,
Muller, Gottfried .. Fr;
Munch, Joseph .. Fr;Fr;Bo;
Neeff, C. Gustav
Neidhardt & Schmidt BO
Neptun ..No;
Neuhaus, Ferd ... He;No;
Ohlinger, Julius .. Nrh
Ohlinger, F. Ed. .. Wm; Nm;Wm;Nm;Wm;
Pack & Sohne, E. .. Nh; Ns; B; Th; Nm;Nm; No;Nrh;Nrh; He; Nm; Ns;He;Nrh;WmNo;Nm;Sw;No;B;Nm;Th;Wf;Nrh;Nrh;No;;Nm;Nm;Nm;
Peres, Daniel . Wm;Wm; No;Fr;
Perfectum No;Ho;
Pfeilring - Muller & Schmidt .. Om;Om;S;S;
Plucker Jr, Friedr. No;
Plumacher & Sohn
Puma .. No; No; No Nrh;Nm;Wm;Wm;Wm;
Rader, Hugo No
Rasspe, Ernst Hugo
Rau & Koch . Sw
Reich, Ehrhardt ............Mi;
Remscheid, Cuno . No;Nrh;Nrh;
Reuleaux, J. .Wf;
Ritter, Kuno . Wf;
Romer Ernst
Romuso
Rottgen, Ernst
Rother, August Nrh
Sauer & Sohn, JP Bo;Mi;Fr;Fr;Fr;BO;Fr;Mi;
Schaaff, CD
Scheidt, Eugen ... P;No
Schlieper, C. Ns;He;Wf;P;
Schlimbach, Jos ... No; He
Schmidt, Rudolf
Schmidt Sohn, Carl AG Wf; Ns;S;S;Nrh;
Schmidt & Sohne, J A
Schmidt & Sohne, J.
Schmitz, Friedr. Aug Om; Ns;Om;Om;
Schneider, Hermann . Ns;
Schnittert, Abr ... Wf
Schrick, Sohn, E..P
Schuttelhofer, A & Co.Ns;
Seilheimer, Paul . Ns;Ns
Servatius, Hugo .. S
Simon, Otto Steinbach
SMF .... Ho; Ns;Ho;Om;Ns;Ho
Spalteneder . Ho
Spitzer, C. Gustav . Ns;Wf;No;
Steinhoff, Franz . Ns; Ns;Ost
Stover, Otto
Sudd Messerfrabrik Fr;Fr;Fr;
Tiger . He; Nrh;Nrh;None
Tiegel, Karl
Tillmann Sohne, Carl ..P; Ns
Torley, Gebruder Ns
Undine . O;Wm;Ho
Vitting, Eduard Wf
Volker, Adolf ... Sa;Sa;
Voos, Emil .. Ns;Nm
Voss, Gustav . S;S;Ns
Waffenhammer Degendorf ..... Ha;BO;BO;
WKC ... S;
Wagner & Lange ... He; P;
Wagner, Wilhelm .. P;
Weltersbach, Wilh. . Wm; Ho;No;
Werth, A.
Wester & Butz Om;No;No;Om;
Weyersberg Soehne, Gottfried ..Wm
Weyerberg, Gustav Nachf Wf;Wf;
Weyersberg, Max ..P;Ho;No;
Weyersberg & Co, Paul..No;No;SA
Weyersberg, Reinh Wm
Wielputz, Thomas
Wingen, Jr, Anton .. Wm; No; No;No;Wm;No;Wm;
Wirth, Gustav .. Nm
Witte, Ernst Erich
Wolf, Joseph .. Ho; Ho;
Wolfertz, Is
Wustof, Carl .Nrh; Nm;Nm;
Wusthof, Ed ... He; He; He;Nm;Nrh;
Zander, Carl Ns;Ns;
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#196388 04/05/2007 10:42 AM
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Hello,

today i want show you a very rarity Gau Stamp SA for Sachsen on a crossguard from a Haenel SA Dagger from my collection.
I never see befor a Stamp with a big "A".
I meet Mr. Thomas Johnson in Stuttgart at the IWB Show 2007, and show him the Dagger.
And he sayed the same, its a very rarity Gau stamp on a nice Dagger.

Gru Ralf ( Mikatim)
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#196389 05/24/2007 10:57 AM
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Carl Haas - He

#196390 11/12/2007 10:31 PM
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Updated ! Thanks everyone.

Carl Haas ??

Also, I think that SA in the above photo may not be a gau mark.

#196391 11/13/2007 08:21 AM
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Hello Dave, had one to with the "SA" markings
i thought this was a gau mark.
I know John Merling have several with these markings.
Why do you think its not gau marks?
Best, Hakan

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#196392 11/13/2007 02:01 PM
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That one looked as if it was larger than most. Maybe not. please some more "Sa" gau stamps. So we can see.

Dave

#196393 11/13/2007 02:15 PM
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Dave, on the Haenels, I've seen that variant larger SA Gau mark on quite a few. Just on Haenels though.

John

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#196394 11/13/2007 03:24 PM
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Dave its the same size on the gau mark as on Johns fantastic Haenel !
Looks a little bigger in that closeup and angle on my photo though!
Hakan

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for your list, i have a Lauterjung marked 'HO' and a Munsch marked 'HE'.

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As I am new to this ,ref the doubt about the Sa mark being a Gau mark,as it is shown on the attached diagram what makes it suspect please?

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#196397 11/13/2007 06:58 PM
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map doesnt want to upload, sorry

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Usually the Sa mark has a small letter a instead of a capital letter A. The far left one is SA, the one next to it is Sa.

Here's a picture, I'll have to get a close up at home.

John

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many thanks, more knowledge to put into the old brain !!

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need to keep this data in view guys.

Could somebody post again one of those handy bar charts with the rarety displays top down??

Thanks,

PJ


Kind regards,

Peter Jan
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I have this one if this is any good to you.

Best wishes

Ian

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#196402 01/17/2008 11:41 AM
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You can add 'W' to the Pack listing

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#196403 01/17/2008 07:07 PM
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Here's a Romuso, marked Ho.

Regards
Russell

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Bismarck with "S"

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#196405 01/18/2008 06:20 AM
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ivbaust .....WOW...a Bismarck (10/10) with, or without, a Gau Mark is a Rare one!

Congratulations! Dave/dblmed


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#196406 01/20/2008 04:00 AM
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An E&F Horster with a "Ha" Gau stamp.


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Beautiful big Horster Maker mark...Love it Serge!

John

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Thanks John! Here's one more.

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Bontgen & Sabin with "Wf" Gau.


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Kaufmann & Sohne, with a "Wm" Gau.


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carl Grah : Wf

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#196412 04/10/2008 09:09 PM
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I sell F.Herder with Om.

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Wingen, Jr, Anton: Nrh

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F&A Helbig, Mi

Carl Julius Krebs, Nrh

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EP&S - Sa


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I have a Carl Grah with the Gau mark of Nm

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Bismarck - Ns. Smile


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Trond.
#196418 01/12/2009 08:18 PM
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Here is my Haenel "Sa"

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and here is its frosted MM

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I noticed that there is a C. Linder listed with out a Gau. Here is my C. Linder Solingen Merscheid with an Ns Gau.


I tried to upload but got a "disk Quota exceeded" message. To make matters worse when I hit the "go back" button, all my previously typed text was gone. That always happens!


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JP Sauer & Sohn, - Sa

Bill

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Posting for a fellow collector with his permission an Ernst Rottgen Nm.

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Any idea for the premium this adds to the dagger price for the rarity?

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#196424 02/26/2009 01:23 AM
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I hope others respond to this question.

To me, the major factors in the value of an SA dagger are the maker's mark and the condition. The gau marks is secondary, but that is me. If the MM and condition were what I was looking for, then a rare gau mark would would add a bit to my offer.

As I said, other collectors see things from different angles and I hope they speak up.

Dave

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Thanks for the response Dave, have you seen this makers mark before and how rare is it?

Richard

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Ernst Rottgen is very hard to find and yours is in great condition.

Dave

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