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This will be a log of Gau marks & Makers used to establish rarity. Post your SA Maker and Gau mark below and I will transfer reults to this page.
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Aesculap, Tuttlingen ���������. Sw; Sw; Sw; Wm; Sw; Sw;Sw; AMSO - See Mebus, Albert ������ Asso (Schuttelhoffer)���������. Ns; Ns;Sa;No; Axt und Hauerfabrik ���������..Sa; Nrh; Wf; No;Sa;Wf;Nrh; Backhaus, F W �����������..Ns Bahrl, Julius Balke & Sohne, Rich ���������. Wf;Wf;Wf; Barthelmess, Fritz ����������. Fr;Fr;Fr; Becker, Eduard ������������He; Becker Gebr ������ �.�����. No; Wf; No;Ns Bell, gebr ��������������. He; Bo Bender, Carl ������������� Ha Berns, Gebr �������������.Ho+A37 Berns, Hugo Bertram, C. Reinh. Sohn Bickel, August �����.������. He; Bo; Mi;Mi;Mi;Fr Bismark Bocker, Karl ������������... P; Bodenstein, Julius Bohme Gebr ������������.. Sa;Th; Bonsmann, E ������������. P; Bontgen & Sabin ����������.. No; Born Gebr �������������.. Wf; Brosy F. Von ������������. Ho;OST; Ha; Bruckman, Ernst ����������.. Ho; Wm; Ho; Buchel, Rudolf ������������ Ns Bulldog ��������������... Nrh; Ho; Ho; Busch, Ernst Christians, Gebr ��������� Nrh; Nrh; Nrh;Nrh;Nrh Chromolit ��������������. S; NmS; Cleff, Ewald Clemen & jung Curdts Natchf ������������.. Ho Dick, F ���������������. Sw;Sw;Wm;Wm;Sw;He;Wm;Sw;Sw;Sw;Sw;Wm; Dirlam, Ernst Dirlam & Sohn, J. Dittert, JE Sa; Dorschel Albert �����������.. Wm; Drees & sohn, Rich ����������S Ebel, Paul �������������� Wf;Wf; Eickelnberg & Mack Eickhorn, Carl �����������... Ns;No;No;Wf;Wf;He;Wf;Ha;He;Ns; No;Nrh;S;Fr;Wf;Bo;Ha;Fr;Wf;Wf;Nm;Fr;Wf;Wf;Ha;Wf;Wf;S;
Eppenstein & Sohne, Carl �������Nm;NmWm; Felix, Gustav ������������.. Wm;Wm Geigis, Friedrich Ns; Grembruch, Ed Gierling, Emil ������������.. Wf;Wf;O; Giersch, Rob �������������Wm Geisen & Forsthoff ����������. Ns;S; Grafrath, Gebr Grah, Carl Grah, Ernst Grah, Reinhold ������������Wf;Om; Groten, Ludwig ������������ Wf;Ns; Haas, Carl Haastert & Bull �����������.. B; He; HACO, Berlin ������������. B;B;B;B;B;B; Haenel, C.G., Suhl ����. Sa; Th; Sa;Sa;Sa;Sa;Mi;Sa;Sa;Da; Haering, Eugen �����������.. Wf;Wf; Hahn, Hermann ����������� Om;S; Haker, Gustave �����������.. H Halbach, Wilhelm Halbach, Carl Hammesfahr & Cie ���������...OST;No;P;He;S; Hartkopf & Co�������������Nm Hartkopf, Rich Heidelberg, Carl �����������. P; Wf; Helbig, F&A Heller, Gebr, Schmalkalden ������. Sa;Bo;Mi;Sa;Bo;Mi; Heller, Gebr, Marienthal��������.Th;Th;Th; Henkels, J.A. ������������. OST; Wf; W;Nrh;Bo;Wf;OST;BO; Henckels, Paul Henckel & Muller+A202 Herbeck & Meyer ������ ����.No;Nrh Herbertz & Meurer ����������. He; Herder, H ��������������. He Herder, F ��������������. Nrh; Wf; Wf; Wm;Wf;Nrh;Ost;Nrh;Ns Herder & Engels Herder, Rich. Abr ����������.. Wm Herder, Robert ������������..Nrh;Wm Herder & Sohn ������������Ns; Holler, F.W �������������. Wm;Wm:Wm; Hoppe, Curt �������������. Ha; Hoppe Sohne, Gottfr���������...Nm; Hoppe, Wilhelm �����������..Wf Horster, E&F ������������...Nrh Jacobs, C. Rud. Jacobs & Co �������������He; Johanneswerk Justinuswerk ������������... He; Bo;Bo;He;He; Jordan, F.W ������������... He; Kaiser. Emil ������������� Nm;Om; Kaldenbach, Karl Robert ��������P; Kaufmann & Sohne ���������... Ns; Nrh; Nrh Kayser, C.F. ������������.. No Kemper, Ernst �����������. No;Nrh; Kirschbaum, F.A. Klittermann & Moog����������.Nrh; Kloos, Carl Knecht, A. No; Knecht & Co, E. �����������.Nm; Kober & Co, Wm �����������Th; Th;Th; He;Th;Th;Th;Th;Sa;Th;Wf;Ns; Kohl Paul ��������������. Nrh Kohlen, Fr.V.D. Koller, G.L. �������������.. P Koller, Hugo ������������... Nh; He Konejung, Herm �����������He; Krebs, Carl Julius Krebs, Pet Dan �����������.. Nrh; Ho;Nrh Krieger, Wilhelm ����������� Wf Krom, HCH, Munich ���������.Ho; Krumm, Gebr ������������..Om Krusius, Gebr ������������. B;Nrh Kuhrt, Karl Fr. ������������. No; Kullenberg, Aug. Lauterjung, H&F �����������..Wm; Leupold, Johann �����������. Fr; Fr;Fr Leuco or Levco ������������ Fr Linder, Carl Linder, Carl & Robert ���������.Ns Linder, Herm. Sohn Linder & Sohn, Hugo C.W�������.Wf Linder, Otto �������������.P; Linder, Hugo ������������� Wm;Wm Louper ���������������. S; No Luneschloss, P.D. ����������..P; S; Lungstrass, Peter Lutters & Co, C. �����������.Ns; Malsch, Aug �������������.Th; Malsch, David ������������..He; Malsch, Karl Malsch & Ambrom ����������. Sa; Sa;Sa;Sa;Sa Sa;Sa;Sa;Sa;Th;Mi;Sa; Malsch - Spitzer, Karl ��������� Mi;Mi;Mi; May & vom Hau �����������..Ho;Fr; Mebus, Albert (Amso) Ho; Meis, Carl August Wm; Melcher, Artur Melzer & Feller ������������Fr Merten, August �����������. S; Ho, Muller, Gottfried �����������.. Fr; Munch, Joseph �����������.. Fr;Fr;Bo; Neeff, C. Gustav Neidhardt & Schmidt BO Neptun ���������������..No; Neuhaus, Ferd �����������... He;No; Ohlinger, Julius �����������.. Nrh Ohlinger, F. Ed. �����������.. Wm; Nm;Wm;Nm;Wm; Pack & Sohne, E. ����������.. Nh; Ns; B; Th; Nm;Nm; No;Nrh;Nrh; He; Nm; Ns;He;Nrh;WmNo;Nm;Sw;No;B;Nm;Th;Wf;Nrh;Nrh;No;;Nm;Nm;Nm; Peres, Daniel ������������. Wm;Wm; No;Fr; Perfectum �������������� No;Ho; Pfeilring - Muller & Schmidt ������.. Om;Om;S;S; Plucker Jr, Friedr. �����������No; Plumacher & Sohn Puma ���������������.. No; No; No Nrh;Nm;Wm;Wm;Wm; Rader, Hugo ������������� No Rasspe, Ernst Hugo Rau & Koch �������������. Sw Reich, Ehrhardt ............Mi; Remscheid, Cuno ����������. No;Nrh;Nrh; Reuleaux, J. �������������.Wf; Ritter, Kuno �������������. Wf; Romer Ernst Romuso Rottgen, Ernst Rother, August ������������Nrh Sauer & Sohn, JP ���������� Bo;Mi;Fr;Fr;Fr;BO;Fr;Mi; Schaaff, CD Scheidt, Eugen �����������... P;No Schlieper, C. Ns;He;Wf;P; Schlimbach, Jos ����������... No; He Schmidt, Rudolf Schmidt Sohn, Carl AG �������� Wf; Ns;S;S;Nrh; Schmidt & Sohne, J A Schmidt & Sohne, J. Schmitz, Friedr. Aug ��������� Om; Ns;Om;Om; Schneider, Hermann ���������. Ns; Schnittert, Abr �����������... Wf Schrick, Sohn, E�����������..P Schuttelhofer, A & Co���������.Ns; Seilheimer, Paul �����������. Ns;Ns Servatius, Hugo �����������.. S Simon, Otto Steinbach SMF ������..���������.. Ho; Ns;Ho;Om;Ns;Ho Spalteneder �������������. Ho Spitzer, C. Gustav ����������. Ns;Wf;No; Steinhoff, Franz �����������. Ns; Ns;Ost Stover, Otto Sudd Messerfrabrik ���������� Fr;Fr;Fr; Tiger ����������������. He; Nrh;Nrh;None Tiegel, Karl Tillmann Sohne, Carl ���������..P; Ns Torley, Gebruder ����������� Ns Undine ���������������. O;Wm;Ho Vitting, Eduard ������������ Wf Volker, Adolf �����������.�.. Sa;Sa; Voos, Emil �������������.. Ns;Nm Voss, Gustav ������������. S;S;Ns Waffenhammer Degendorf �����..... Ha;BO;BO; WKC ���������������... S; Wagner & Lange ����������... He; P; Wagner, Wilhelm ����������.. P; Weltersbach, Wilh. ����������. Wm; Ho;No; Werth, A. Wester & Butz ������������ Om;No;No;Om; Weyersberg Soehne, Gottfried �����..Wm Weyerberg, Gustav Nachf �������Wf;Wf; Weyersberg, Max ����������..P;Ho;No; Weyersberg & Co, Paul��������..No;No;SA Weyersberg, Reinh ����������Wm Wielputz, Thomas Wingen, Jr, Anton ����������.. Wm; No; No;No;Wm;No;Wm; Wirth, Gustav ������������.. Nm Witte, Ernst Erich Wolf, Joseph ������������.. Ho; Ho; Wolfertz, Is Wustof, Carl �������������.Nrh; Nm;Nm; Wusthof, Ed ������������... He; He; He;Nm;Nrh; Zander, Carl ������������� Ns;Ns; No mark 3
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Hello, today i want show you a very rarity Gau Stamp SA for Sachsen on a crossguard from a Haenel SA Dagger from my collection. I never see befor a Stamp with a big "A". I meet Mr. Thomas Johnson in Stuttgart at the IWB Show 2007, and show him the Dagger. And he sayed the same, its a very rarity Gau stamp on a nice Dagger. Gru� Ralf ( Mikatim) www.dienstdolch.de
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Updated ! Thanks everyone.
Carl Haas ??
Also, I think that SA in the above photo may not be a gau mark.
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Hello Dave, had one to with the "SA" markings i thought this was a gau mark. I know John Merling have several with these markings. Why do you think it�s not gau marks? Best, Hakan
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That one looked as if it was larger than most. Maybe not. please some more "Sa" gau stamps. So we can see.
Dave
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Dave, on the Haenels, I've seen that variant larger SA Gau mark on quite a few. Just on Haenels though.
John
John Merling [email protected]MAX Life member OVMS Life member(Ohio Valley Military Society SOS) OGCA Life member(Ohio Gun Collectors Assoc) NRA Life member
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Dave it�s the same size on the gau mark as on John�s fantastic Haenel ! Looks a little bigger in that closeup and angle on my photo though! Hakan
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for your list, i have a Lauterjung marked 'HO' and a Munsch marked 'HE'.
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As I am new to this ,ref the doubt about the Sa mark being a Gau mark,as it is shown on the attached diagram what makes it suspect please?
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map doesnt want to upload, sorry
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Usually the Sa mark has a small letter a instead of a capital letter A. The far left one is SA, the one next to it is Sa.
Here's a picture, I'll have to get a close up at home.
John
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many thanks, more knowledge to put into the old brain !!
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need to keep this data in view guys.
Could somebody post again one of those handy bar charts with the rarety displays top down??
Thanks,
PJ
Kind regards,
Peter Jan
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I have this one if this is any good to you. Best wishes Ian www.simplydaggers.co.uk
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You can add 'W' to the Pack listing
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Here's a Romuso, marked Ho.
Regards Russell
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ivbaust .....WOW...a Bismarck (10/10) with, or without, a Gau Mark is a Rare one!
Congratulations! Dave/dblmed
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An E&F Horster with a "Ha" Gau stamp.
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Beautiful big Horster Maker mark...Love it Serge!
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Thanks John! Here's one more.
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Bontgen & Sabin with "Wf" Gau.
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Kaufmann & Sohne, with a "Wm" Gau.
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"Nothing is new, only forgotten" Tyla
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Got Lugers?
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I have a Carl Grah with the Gau mark of Nm
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Bismarck - Ns. 
Regards Trond.
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Here is my Haenel "Sa"
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and here is its frosted MM
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I noticed that there is a C. Linder listed with out a Gau. Here is my C. Linder Solingen Merscheid with an Ns Gau.
I tried to upload but got a "disk Quota exceeded" message. To make matters worse when I hit the "go back" button, all my previously typed text was gone. That always happens!
Bob
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JP Sauer & Sohn, - Sa
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Posting for a fellow collector with his permission an Ernst Rottgen Nm.
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Any idea for the premium this adds to the dagger price for the rarity?
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I hope others respond to this question.
To me, the major factors in the value of an SA dagger are the maker's mark and the condition. The gau marks is secondary, but that is me. If the MM and condition were what I was looking for, then a rare gau mark would would add a bit to my offer.
As I said, other collectors see things from different angles and I hope they speak up.
Dave
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Thanks for the response Dave, have you seen this makers mark before and how rare is it?
Richard
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Ernst Rottgen is very hard to find and yours is in great condition.
Dave
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