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Hope these give some assistance in understanding the grades and watching out for repros and reworked 57's.

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Thanks derjager for the mini reference, think I'll copy the posts for reference.

TKissinger

TKissinger,
Thanks, I just added a smidge to what Raymond had already presented so well for us. Raymond, may I copy for my files some of the images you posted?
All, are more than welcome to save any images I post!

I hope I did not muddy the waters. These can be some what confusing. While I know what I mean by what I write, it may not always come across clearly. Any questions, please ask!

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As to qualification regulations the only reference I remember that refers to them is J.R. Angolia's, For Furher and Fatherland Military Awards of the Third Reich Vol.1, I can not at present quote from that volume.

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Joe, go right ahead and copy them.I just wish they could be of a better quality.
To quote from "For F�hrer and Fatherland","Each individual was required to qualify at each level or class with only one qualification recognized per year. Thus, it would require three years to qualify for the highest award.
"The award was rendered for excellence in shooting with the carbine,rifle,light MG and MG. Small arms qualifications consisted of a combined score with the rifle and MG,with minimum standards required at each grade.For example,awards 1-4 required that only four of six rifle rounds be in the bullseye at each of the three ranges,while 9-12 required five of six hits in the bullseye."

Raymond, thank you!
Thank you also for posting the qualification info.

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So i assume that everyone had to qualify, so if you qualified at the highest level it didn't count. I guess there is a lot about this I don't understand, guess I better get some more reference material.

TKissinger

TKissinger,
If you do come across the requirements for qualification I would appreciate seeing them also.

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Lou Bell, sorry it took me so long to reply to your question. Considering the items to be in excellent condition in my opinion a good pricing rule of thumb might start at $60.00 for grade 1 and add $15.00 increments for each grade up to grade 12.

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My post on pricing is in reference to Heer lanyards. Panzer lanyards would in my opinion rate higher and I do not know where Luftwaffe lanyards fall price wise.

Sorry for any confusion, again I knew what I was thinking, just didn't come across on the written page.
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No one has any others to add?
In wear photos?
Luftwaffe lanyards, Kreigsmarine lanyards?

Challenge my prices?

Comments, thoughts?

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I hate to see this thread stagnate! This is somewhat of an untouched area, much to learn!

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If anyone out there is into Luftwaffe lanyards would you please be so kind as to check and see if any have the protective covering to the long twisted cording section? It does not appear that the ones deptcted have it.
I just yesterday held a really nice 5th grade and it did not have the covering. Only the felt behind the upper part.

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Ahhh the thread final showed up>I couldn't find it

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#4 HJ ??

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#7None of my Lufts have a backing,the green one I was told is a HJ as it is a bit smaller.My first one was the luft gold with the two flak shells which I understand is rare.Bought that one with a couple of IC cased,War merit cased and assorted badges 20 pcs for $150.I was buying them at shows up north and at one time let a gold Luft with one flak shell go asking price at that time $110.I have a couple of Armys with accorns but we have seen them from others nothing special

Mr. Ed Martin, thanks for the reply. Thank you also for posting the examples from your collection. Glad you ran across the thread.
Item #4 looks to me like forestry, or hunting/shooting.

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DJ ,I do agree with you on the color.The reason I said possible HJ was info from a long time N.Y. collector.Also the lanyard is only 13" from end to end were as a standard one is 17".It also could be for a "junior" member of Foresty ?,I don't know if HJ was active in the foresty.

A luftwaffe lanyard, grade 1, I believe. Recent acquisition.
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Close up, obverse.
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Close up. reverse.
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Just got this lanyard, it has one silver acorn. Mike

RMS, nice pickup! Thanks for showing it. The plaque is silver?

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No, it is bronze color, there is some silver showing through on some highlights. Mike

Just got this lanyard a coupla days ago. Mike

RMS looks like your catching that lanyard fever.Two nice pieces and they can get to be habit forming.Always nice to add to a dagger or in a collection of items.They are real sleeper to me.

They are very interesting, I also got a really nice other ranks police buckle with it, it's an addiction can't help it. Mike

Hi Raymond ,How have you been?This is chris from delaware?been down here latly stop on by any time.I have one i seen you had one like mine ?mine has a gold gilt small wreath They say they never came this way?could you post a better picture of your gold looking small wreath one?Thanks.

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Please tell me what grade this is?

Ray,E-mail me i have a lot of stuff maybe you can stop on by?do you still have the ss poster and the other stuff ?

Hi Chris,it's good to hear from you again.It's been awhile since I've been to Delaware but, next time I'm down that way I'll let you know.Maybe the Pikesville show. I don't remember having an SS poster but, between having a bad memory and way to much stuff it's possible .
From what I know it looks like the piece has been replaced with the lower grade one.The device is for a grade 5 thru 8 and the lanyard is a grade 10.The color looks like silver with a coating of laquer that has yellowed over the years(this is why mine looks gold in the photo but silver in person).It could have been done wartime as mistakes do happen.How does the backing material look?It wouldn't be hard to replace it with the higher grade piece if you wanted.It still looks good the way it is now.

Hi,Nice to here from you to!I will take some pictures of the back?It looks gold in person also,but you might be right abought laquer?I think its m ore gold gilt but heck i might be wrong?What would be the value on this one?Do give me an e-mail or call maybe we can meet up at the show?