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Hi All:

If anyone is still making their Christmas list for Santa, Helmut Weitz has recently posted a full SS R�hm dagger for sale that is identifiable. The dagger is stamped with the number 76 637 that belonged to the naughty nazi Hermann Koetzold. He turns up in the 1936, 1937, 1938 and July 1944 Dienstalterslistes. His last listed assignment was as a Sturmbannf�hrer with 7th SS-Freiwilligen Gebrigs Division Prinz Eugen. Interestingly as well, he turns up as a KIA on August 6, 1944 in Fojnica, Bosnien. I haven't had a chance to check out how much might be available on him in the Archives as of yet, but with such long service there is a good chance that there might be a lot. Contact me if you are interested.

It is item no. 114298. Here is its link for the photos:

https://www.weitze.net/cgi-bin/cat-art-index.pl?art_no=...brik=34&lang=e&kat=1

Enjoy!
Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com

Thanks for the information. Is this dealer reliable?

Sorry all, but this certain dagger already has been sold by Weitze about 10 minutes after it was listed, on friday .
I DO own Bernie�s "The Key" myself
You really thought such a dagger would last sooo long???
Regards,

I didn't see the asking price.......does anyone know what it was?

Thanks

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Originally posted by Vette:
I didn't see the asking price.......does anyone know what it was?

Thanks

Hi All:

Price as listed is 7500 Euros. It surprised me that it was listed without any mention of research. A question always remains when relying just on The Key is if the service records support this individual to have actually received an Ehrendolch. I have found at least one case of a numbered and attributed full SS R�hm where the SS Mann's service records documented that he specifically did not receive one. It pays to dig further.

Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com

Curses! Foiled again!

Ross, you are totally right. "The Key " only can be the first (but necessary and valuable) step. Afterwards there comes checking DALs, VDKeV, google, award lists, former BDC, reading files and lists and much much more to check each detail. Professional research you also know very well for yourself.
The real work still has to be done on this dagger.
Concerning personal files and therein listed items like honordagger, ring, degen, julleuchter and different awards: Generally those file lists are ok but they are also NOT the bible. I have seen lists with period errors, misunderstandings and period erroneously not made or made entries. Really all is possible.
Naturally most of the fun is if all does correspond.
Regards,

Hi Wotan:

I agree with you. For my tastes, when the documentary evidence conflicts with the object, I prefer to leave it alone especially when involving several $1K or more. Personnel files (Stammrollen) might not be accurate, but other strong period documentation should be available to explain conflicting evidence. Copies of the Stammrollen were also kept on the company and regimental level, as well as in the main SS personnel record offices in Berlin so sometimes multiple versions are available to compare. I have also been surprised at the number of mistakes found with SS numbers on official rosters and other SS publications. Though another source is now providing names for SS numbers not found in the Dienstalterslistes drawn from limited documentation, I like to find several documents to base a guaranteed attribution. I particularly like to find a document with the SS number that the SS Mann has signed such as his Fragebogen (personal questionnaire) submitted with his Race & Settlement File. Hard to argue that he didn't know his number.

Regards,

Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com

Grumpy, the answer to your question is no!!! David