UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons SA & NSKK Dagger Forum $21,500 SA High leaders dagger!

Not sure if you have seen this yet, I was just picking the phone up to buy it and I read the whole discription and its just a bit too rough even at that price IMO.

No chain, broken tip, dented scabbard, poor leather, but its real! and I bet it sells quickly.

http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com/itemmain.html

That dagger came out of Canada about 15 years ago.It sold at an auction for about $5600.00

Right as rain, and untouched since the war.It was found in Holland by a Canadian infantryman, and spent its whole postwar life in a drawer in the basement of a house in North Toronto!!

When I lived in L.I.N.Y.about 15yrs ago a collector comes into the club.He has a dagger and starts asking about it.It's a High Leader in a little better shape .Missing the chain and needing a re-leather on the scabbard.Blade was a little rough but all there.He's not a dagger guy so we start looking ,theres the original owners name on the back of the scabbard and he's listed in a book about HL .Now for the best part were did it come from.The collector is in an antique shop ,some guy comes in and trys selling the dagger to the owner.The shop owner is not interested as the leather is gone and the blade is all scratched The collector asked to see it and asked 'How much" the owner wants ,are you ready $75.00 they settle at $65 neither knowing what they had.So you never know what walks into a shop.
P.S.it would have cost him about 3K at the time to recover the scabbard which he didn't do and $40 for the book which he bought ONLY after see the Leaders profile .True story

He is also selling a bladeless knife without a handle at a very good price.

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Originally posted by Doug Kenwright aka "KURSK":
That dagger came out of Canada about 15 years ago.It sold at an auction for about $5600.00

Right as rain, and untouched since the war.It was found in Holland by a Canadian infantryman, and spent its whole postwar life in a drawer in the basement of a house in North Toronto!!

Are you sure?
"Although this dagger, which was located approximately 15 years ago at a street market in Moscow, is not in the condition usually offered by JRB&M, it is ORIGINAL and priced accordingly! For the collector who wants to own an example of one of the rarest Third Reich daggers, this is an opportunity not to be found often. RARE, untouched example! VG+ (25625) $21,500. CONSIGNMENT ITEM "

This did not come from a street market in Moscow.

Has anything good ever come from a street market in Moscow? I think this has changed hands a few times since the original sale.It's just a selling story, or that is what the previous owner told him..

".. but it must be truth, they told it on teevee."

How many SA High leaders do you think are around? are they really that rare or is it a case of people just holding onto them?

There out there just open the check book.

Who want's a chained SS without the chain.I would not know if it was right as rain even if it was raining. If you get my drift.

Whyever would it cost 3k to recover a scabbard?
If Manfred had been around at the time he'd have done for a few Bud's

Nolan

I mean seriously guys, who in the world would spend that kind of money for an old beat up dagger ? I know it is rare but for goodness sake, this dagger has a serious condition problem.
For the same price, I would rather get a mint Chained SS, mint SS EM and a mint Chained NSKK.
Wouldn't you ?

I surely would.
Seiler (yank in uk)

On the streets of Moscow one can buy only fakes

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Originally posted by Seiler:
I surely would.
Seiler (yank in uk)

Good, I was afraid to be the only one.

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Originally posted by Pat:
I mean seriously guys, who in the world would spend that kind of money for an old beat up dagger ? I know it is rare but for goodness sake, this dagger has a serious condition problem.
For the same price, I would rather get a mint Chained SS, mint SS EM and a mint Chained NSKK.
Wouldn't you ?

When compared to that dagger....no question.

Regards,
-serge-

“Untouched” by who? While it’s hard to judge just when. The diagonal scratches and relatively fresh appearance of some of the rounded off blade tip - suggest that somebody has been hard at work much later than the original attempt at cleaning the blade. Whenever that was. FP

Nolan the 3K came from a top dealer with "original" leather.This was long before the internet and knowing Manfred and GDC.I'll have to go to a L.I. show when I'm in N.Y.and see if the owner is still there and still has the dagger.

"He is also selling a bladeless knife without a handle at a very good price."

What's left???

LOL

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Originally posted by lmrobil:
"He is also selling a bladeless knife without a handle at a very good price."

What's left???

...guards and a NUT!

It might be a beater...but I bet someone will buy it wirhin 2 weeks...there is one born every day.

I agree with Pat "For the same price, I would rather get a mint Chained SS, mint SS EM and a mint Chained NSKK".

Sepp

GDC 0292 Gold

My money is on Pat's idea as well note its on consignment TJ doesnt want to own it too many problems but a handling fee thanks very much

About 10 to 12 years ago, at the SoS a local guy walked in the door and went to the first table (Ron Manion's) - he pulled an SA High Leader's Dagger from his jacket and sold it to Manion when he was offered the astronomical sum of $3,000. As I remember, the dagger was in fair/good condition overall but the leather was missing on the scabbard.
Does anyone know where that dagger went; or where it is now?

Hmmm, Well I wouldn't want it, but as we are on the subject, what would a mint example of the same dagger be worth? And whilst we are at it, what would the SS version also be worth?

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Originally posted by lmrobil:
"He is also selling a bladeless knife without a handle at a very good price."

What's left???

He will treat the buyer to a cheeseburger (without the burger and the bun)

Nolan

I just had to edit my own post because the truth often offends but NUT sounds about right for anyone who might want to hand over 20 large for that.

Come on chaps!...How about an answer to my question?

Howard in the opening paragraph of his listing TJ quotes $50000-$60000!!!!

The price is simply.."Whatever the Market will bear"
Seiler (yank in UK)

I was offered a mint early SA Honor dagger recently for well below $ 50,000 USD and it was from one of the biggest dealer in the US.

I hope you bought it Pat?, be nice with your other damascus.

Mongo, if you buy something like that -even in great condition- who the heck are you going to sell it to when you want to unload it?

How much less a piece of junk?

That could be said for a lot of high end stuff, I mean the Himmlers,SS Full Rohms, and stuff like that. I keep hearing that "good" high end stuff still sells really well. I mean you will always be able to pick up a nice SA, but this high end damascus stuff is hard to find and buy even if you have the money.

I think once you covered all the bases and have a mint 33, 36, Chained NSKK, Himmler, SS Rohm, its kind of the next one to go for IMO.

I was seriously looking over the past 18months
A gift for myself from a well earned bonus
Even as far as SS!!!Like Pat I have been offered
three,,,early to late models.Typically $30k-$35k.Until I got smart???.What do I need one for?Not easy to move on when you want to.But there is a select market out there.Thats for sure.
Seiler (yank in uk)

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Originally posted by mongobongo:
I hope you bought it Pat?, be nice with your other damascus.

The US currency is killing me at the moment and I refuse to pay a 30% premium because of the declining Canadian dollar.
I'm assuming it is the same story with the British pounds and other foreign currency.
When the Canadian dollar starts moving upward, I will get back in the market.
For now, I'll enjoy my Damascus.

Mongo I think you are absolutely correct, if you are lucky enough to have the funds then the high end damascus stuff is the way to go...but condition should be an absolute priority.

My SA Honor was not cheap but it's condition is second to none and I could have sold it three times over for a price considerably above what I paid for it (only a few years ago).

Seiler, I am intrigued by these 3 bargain basement SA Honor daggers you can pick up between usd 30-35,000 as I may genuinely be interested - assuming they are in great condition - would you please send me the full details ?

Thanks
Jonathan

Im still looking for one as well but think I have found one in the UK.

Pat, you are right sterling is at record low against the dollar so im holding off as well unless I can get stuff in sterling from the UK at the right kind of money.

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Originally posted by mongobongo:
That could be said for a lot of high end stuff, I mean the Himmlers,SS Full Rohms, and stuff like that. I keep hearing that "good" high end stuff still sells really well. I mean you will always be able to pick up a nice SA, but this high end damascus stuff is hard to find and buy even if you have the money.

I think once you covered all the bases and have a mint 33, 36, Chained NSKK, Himmler, SS Rohm, its kind of the next one to go for IMO.

100% correct.One day,when the economy crisis will gone,such stuff will rise more and more.Such a one (SS) is on my list too

There is an SS High leaders dagger for sale ATM in the UK but it is about the price of a house.. but very very nice though.

Here it is I only want like $100,000 for it! It has been in my family forever and a local dealer told me it was easily worth $250,000.

Now it is one of a kind and in case you are thinking it looks a bit like a repro, you are a fool! Its the REAL one that all the repros copied. Just look at the mint blade and detailing on it. When my grandad brought it back he also got a piece of Hitlers Toe nail that was in a presentation box.

So it seems a shame to split them up so I will let you have this fantastic dagger and Hitlers toe nail for $100,000.

I guess Mathias Fritz might be interested

The SA HL should of sold by now. Its like when something survives the MAX or SOS I have too wonder why.All of this stuff could take a hugh nosedive just like any other investment.

I'll take it Mongo, I wasn't too sure, but the toenail swung it and as your in the UK there will be no duty to pay on it.

Nolan

The prices on art are falling as well as prices on coins. The daggers not exception. IMO it is better to wait before buying high end staff. When the dealers post "SOLD" and some crazy price next to it, it is not a fact that the price is factual. They exaggerate the prices to move them higher.

Oleg1,

That is definitely the fact. Gone at some lesser price but gone nonetheless and the advertised price remains unchanged.

Kinda like buying used cars, you better know your stuff.

Mark

Well this is on offer

Another shot

Christopher have you got some blade pics please?

That is a lot better than the one I just sold on here for $100.000 but it does not come with Hitlers Toe Nail!.

Original parts that were put together post war, but its been done nicely. Some would say regardless of price they would never want one of these "parts daggers".

Others would say if they were buying this, providing they were fully aware what it was and the price was right then its not a problem. I guess its all down to opinion at the end of the day?

I too like the higher end items BUT condition is key as we all can agree upon. It is a very tiny market but things do sell, just not very fast. I would LOVE to own a nice high leaders dagger. Some day....

I know of a member here that sold a ex+ example. Many of these daggers are refurbished, leather or re-guilded the motto. IMO that really hurts the value.

Also if you have the cold cash in hand.....people will deal!

FYI many dealers are "cash poor" so this is the time to work out deals.

Hi,
I'm a new member as of today but can't really say that I'm a collector. I've fallen into a lucky situation just as you have described. My grandmother passed away recently and she had in her basement in Maine this SA High Leader dagger and another plain bayonet. My father told me that his uncle had picked these up while he was in Germany during WWII. When he died, I guess they went to his sister (my grandmother). I can definitely say that they have never been in a collection! As part of my research I came to this site and saw the good comments.

I'm not even remotely skilled in assessing the condition but the dagger looks to be in fairly good shape. The gold of the "Alles for Deutschland" and the oak leaves is still very much intact. The big problem is with the scabbard which is completely missing the leather and has a rust spot on it. The chain is still intact.

Thanks to the link from Mongobongo, I'm astonished by what this dagger may be worth.
Anyway, I am looking to sell this dagger and asking for advice from this forum as to which dealers you have had good experiences selling to and which ones you have had bad experiences with. I've already sent e-mails off to a couple of dealers. Looking for help.

Here is one of the pictures I took

Wowww you are a lucky chap! its hard to give a good indication of price without some better pictures but the leather can be re covered. Whatever happens dont get tempted to clean it.

I expect you have already had a flurry of e-mails from people asking to buy it. Dont rush into anything its a very valuable piece if it all checks out. One of the rarest of all the third reich daggers.

These can sell for anything upto $50,000 yours has a lovely blade by the looks of it. It has never been cleaned so that really helps but it does need the leather re covering. If you sell it to a dealer they will also need to take a margin, even with the cost of the work and the margin this is still a great find if it checks out!...

I would try these dealers for prices, but you can also sell items on this forum if you upgrade so might end up getting better money for it that way.

http://www.lakesidetrader.com/
http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com/
http://www.wwiidaggers.com/
http://www.gdmmilitaria.com/
http://www.craiggottlieb.com/

Thanks! Mongobongo. Great advice and I appreciate the honest feedback. This list below is certainly a start. In fact I had already sent e-mails off to a couple of these traders just by googling about the web. I'll have to consider posting on this site. I've added more pictures of what I took last night. I'll have to work on better quality pics during the week.

one more

Last one for now

Incredible found.Wow-absolut fantastic.

cparasch struck GOLD

Is it OK too apppretiate them without owning one ?