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Years ago I bought a 'standard' (19th century)Brittish navy midshipmansdagger, includig the original dirk knot. (in enclosed pic - the top one) Some years later I found and bought) a second version of this dirk (the lower one in the picture). The dirks are practically identical (also the markings and etchings on the blade), however the latter - is about 10 cm shorter and - the shell on the crossguard with the anchor misses (and as far as I can judge - has never been there) - it doesn't have a 'lock' on the scabbard.
It is clear to see that there has not been tampered with an 'original dagger' (would show on scabberd and blade etchings) - it is obviously originally made like this and as far as I can judge: this is no replica - it is in parts, material and in 'look and feel' identical to his big brother. By the way - as yet I have never heard of imitations in this specific type of dagger.
I cant find any info on this specific dirk. Is it an earlier / later version? Has it anything to do with the militairy rank of the owner?
In short does anyone knows more about this dagger?
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It is my understanding that these daggers were not a requirement of rank by the RN but were bought as accessories by individuals so there is no standard pattern and some of the daggers are more ellaborate than others. Here is a poor pic of mine.
It is marked as Hobson, does yours have a makers name?
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Hello >>Dagga >>>>very nice display can you show us the rest of it please. Very curious to see what else is on this display >>> regards Aleksandr
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Hello, Alexandr Of course I will (with pleasure) show you part of my collection. In this overview pic you see three displays
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The first one are dress daggers in general
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The second one are (practically all) 3rd Reich daggers (also some Italian fascist daggers included)
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And the 3rd one are "ethnografic" daggers (some quite old). Not really dress daggers, however often belonging to a specific regional historic costume.
If you want some more detailed pics, just ask and I will take and post some
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O, and by the way the small dagger is marked "Walton outfitter - Gosport" (the latter beeing a touwn very near Portmouth), the large one "Matthews & Compagny - Outifiiers Portsmouth". so my former statement that both daggers are identical marked seems in hindsight not to be quite correct.
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These are beautiful displays that reflect a true collector. Thank you for sharing. On the midshipman's dirks in general. These are a good example of the transition in the mid 1800's from swords to short swords (daggers/dirks) because of the close quarters on the wooden ships. If everyone was running around with swords, they were always bumping into each other. It is my understanding that while the short swords were authorized for wear by everyone, the officers rejected the shorter sword and it became known as the "midshipman's" sword. As to the short version you have. I do not have any specific knowledge. but, if you are certain the blade has not ben shortened, then I say this is a personal choice. Or, maybe an extremely short midshipman? Jim
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Thanks for the general background info on the transition from sword to dagger in navy. Sounds very logical.
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Hey Rob well nice collection you have there. thats a display to be proud of Sean
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WOW>>>>really outstanding display and collection congrats regards Aleksandr
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Doesn't his display make you want to run our and buy a bunch of those cabinets?
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Very nice display but I prefer a little bit of mess in displaying as you can see on one part of my dress daggers collection. Tobi
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Impressive collection - Congratz
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Beautiful collection of some impressive non german daggers.
It does my heart good to see these collections.
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WOW tobi: thats a very cool wall
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Hi For better attribution of the dirk, you should make a better photo, perhaps like this dirk from my collection
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I believe that there were no definite regulations on the dimensions of these dirks, and it depended on the manufacturer or the one who placed an order.
Great collections guys.
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Hi Tobi, Extraordinary and impressive collection. Tobi ,on the right corner down of your display there is a dagger looks like Bulgarian Royal Orchestra dirk.Can you share with us please?
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quote: Originally posted by pesho: Hi Tobi, Extraordinary and impressive collection. Tobi ,on the right corner down of your display there is a dagger looks like Bulgarian Royal Orchestra dirk.Can you share with us please?
Hi, Hereis the photo of Bulgarian Royal Orchestra dirk
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Hi Tobi Thanky very much that you share with us your beautiful Bulgarian Royal dirk
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