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#184030 07/09/2008 06:00 PM
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I totally agree.

Gailen David

#184031 07/09/2008 06:09 PM
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yes it would be nice to see a positive outcome for mongo,

#184032 07/10/2008 07:30 PM
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can there still be a positive outcome for mongo ?

1. the dagger is fake and the whole "court circus" starts.

2. the dagger is good ,and Mongo sold a big part of his collection for no reason at all.

I sencerely hope it's option 2.(since the lost daggers can be rebought).

Still I do have fate that this dagger could be ok.
I must say if you read the story then this looks to be a cunning plan, set to target Mongo.
But what if the seller is really thinking (knowing) that it's real.

Would you be as a (private) seller really be intrested to rebuy the dagger , if you could use the cash , or allready has spend it on other pieces?
It sounds harsh but I do not think so.
(people could call you dishonest , but are you a fraud if the item is real?)

This story may not give you a good feeling, but does not implement it is fake neither.

let's cross fingers and hope Stephen gives Mongo a thumbs up.


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#184033 07/10/2008 09:40 PM
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What??

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#184034 07/10/2008 09:57 PM
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why ? what??


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#184035 07/10/2008 10:16 PM
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I'm a little slow and did not get what you were trying to say. It must be just me.

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#184036 07/10/2008 10:24 PM
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Joe: I have a question for you. If a tree falls on a dagger in the forest and no one is there, whose fault is it the dagger or the tree? Also what kind of a 65 Mustang do you have?

Gailen

#184037 07/10/2008 10:44 PM
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depends if the tree has the right of way.

not? Confused


65 convy
66 coupe


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#184038 07/10/2008 10:56 PM
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Can we beat this dead horse any longer Confused

#184039 07/10/2008 11:09 PM
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Joe: I use to be a judge over here years ago on Mustangs. Which engines? A, c, K. or T?

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#184040 07/10/2008 11:14 PM
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Not only have we beat the horse to death but then we performed a lobodimy!

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#184041 07/10/2008 11:17 PM
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well gailen,
sorry but english is not my mother tongue, anyway i will give it a shot.
I try toexplain it slooooooowly.

there we goooooooooo :
First option (dagger is fake and Mongo has to go to court to get a refund).
If unlucky this can take years and loads of cash (my brother is a lawyer and he told me stories that give you the creeps.)
if there's isn't a decent sales-contract with the money back garantee on paper then I'm afraid it's Mongo's word against the crooks word. Not the best start of a trial.
Other problem : as mentioned by Railgun88 , which authority will be able to say for 100% sure that it's fake or real?

see a post of mine on german combat awards, on a very strange radio observer badge.
In the beginning almost everybody think it's fake and at the end of the post they think it's an original badge with production error. Human errors occur every day. Nobody can tell 100% for sure if a piece is real/fake.


Some remarks on option2 :

OK the seller didn't keep his word, that's true but does this mean that the dagger is fake.
example : I sold a DLV dagger (in used condition) , sold it with "not original money back" , buyer had buyer's remourse and wanted to send it back because it was fake (he had it checked by Detlev Niemann) . I posted pics on this forum (post still might be somewhere around)and we all agreed that is was 100% real but in used condition (which he was aware off, since I took more the 20 pics of the dagger ).
So I did not refunded the money, nevertheless the expert Niemann said is was fake, we all believed that it was textbook. Does this make me dishonest?


What worries me the most is that everybody is allready jumping to conclusions, while only few have seen the dagger in real.
Gailen, from what i have read, you might be one of the few to be in a respectable position to comment the dagger, but IMO most of the other are just jumping on the wagon.
How many of the guys that replied actually own a full rohm Eickhorn to compare it with ?

So isn't this a bit of mass hysteria ?
If one thinks it's bad we all go saying it's bad.

funny thing, just sold a Para badge to a Dutch
guy today. He replied that he is very eager for the badge to arrive since he sold a good badge a year ago after the badge was slashed on the whermacht awards forum. After a month or so he did find out it's was real, but too late since he resold it.
I guess we all know stories like this aswell.

So my point was, the keep an open mind, there might still be a positive side to the story.
But I guess some see a half empty glass, some half full.

And please do not misunderstand me , this must be a sh*tty situation to be in , one i rather wouldn't be in.
But our negative feedback doesn't really help Mongo neither.

hope this is a bit clearer


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#184042 07/10/2008 11:22 PM
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Yes, I understand. Really the bottom line is this guy is going to get screwed one way or the other.
Sorry, I didin't notice you were from Belgium. My apoligies.

Gailen

#184043 07/10/2008 11:23 PM
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Gailen,

the "66" is a "C" code.
the 65 convertible is only a "T" code.
(but slightly tuned and sprint options)

i'm just an underpaid air traffic controller spending too much money on silly toys.


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#184044 07/10/2008 11:24 PM
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most likely
but sometimes you have to believe in miracles.


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#184045 07/10/2008 11:31 PM
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damn, just noticed that there are some typos (typing erros) in my replies, making it indead a bit hard to read (fate= faith , ....)
my humble apologies.
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#184046 07/10/2008 11:33 PM
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The "T" code is a nice engine to have with gas prices. I use to build Mustangs for fun many years ago.I probably owned around fourty of them. Had a 65 "K" coupe I really loved. I now show a 1963 Impala SS 409/425hp.

Gailen

#184047 07/10/2008 11:40 PM
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No big deal, you did better then I could do in a second language. In fact, there wouldn't have been a post.
Gailen

#184048 07/10/2008 11:50 PM
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Gas is still cheaper then beer.
And my mpg (miles per gallon) isn't as high as the mustang. Big Grin
conclusion: it is still cheaper driving the stang then running.

#184049 07/10/2008 11:53 PM
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The 409 gets five to seven mpg. But you do get were your going fast.

Gailen

#184050 07/11/2008 12:14 AM
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quote:
The 409 gets five to seven mpg. But you do get were your going fast.
LOL Cool

BTW Mongo if you ever need some advice on vintage star wars toys give me a call.
I have plenty !

German military is way too complex , star wars toys are easy, those I can really tell if they are fake or not. (some even only by the smell).

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#184051 07/11/2008 01:09 AM
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Hey Gailen,

I don't know the answer to your tree question, BUT, I do have part of the tree and the dagger you referred too!! Razz Wink



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#184052 07/11/2008 04:00 AM
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Railgun,
Sorry....I believe I recall seeing those circa 1968..it's a "At-wood" fake. Big Grin

-serge-

#184053 07/11/2008 08:46 AM
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Please let this be THE LAST WORD...
"joemustang65" the dagger in question is a PACK.
Read the thread before starting the events ALL OVER...Let it be.
JMO
Seiler (Yank in UK) Frown

#184054 07/18/2008 02:24 PM
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Ok the verdict is in and is follows

It is an original dagger that has been re etched. 100% confirmed now by three people hands on and backed up in writing.

I am pleased in a way as now I can focus on the legal action I am taking on the T*** that bumped me on it.

I really really dont care what it costs, I just think the guy needs a lesson in being honest!. I am about to teach him that the hard way, costs, interest, charges for the reports, expensis etc etc. Now I own a reasonable sized company and have Lawyers on retainer for my business work.

Monday I get them to get ball rolling on him. if he does not have the money I will take a Judgement then follow up with a charge on his property and Baliffs. As far as I am concerned they can take everything except his wheel chair, I have no sympathy for him. This also now puts me in a position to go to the Police as well!.

I really will push this thing to its conclusion and ultimate satisfaction.

Thanks to everyone that has helped with this! and I hope me airing this out in public helps others not to fall for the same scam.

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Hi,
Glad its done.In talking with FS it was the suspected result.Take him now for a bath (The courthouse bath that is!!)
There is a guy doing up daggers in UK NOW and passing them thru several Dealers who KNOW what they are handling and from whom.He has been at it for a long time.
Time for him to be exposed.His initials are similar to a well known fast food chain..... Wink
Good luck
Seiler "(Yank in UK)

#184056 07/18/2008 04:32 PM
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Racked my brian and can't come up with the name.

Gailen

#184057 07/18/2008 04:42 PM
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Does "BK" Ring any bells for anyone? Confused Wink

#184058 07/18/2008 06:03 PM
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OK. Try K*C...
Seiler (Yank in UK) Big Grin Big Grin

#184059 07/18/2008 06:47 PM
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Yes, I think I know that one. Smile


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#184060 07/20/2008 01:56 PM
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what do you mean with an original dagger re-etched ?
so a original rohm re-etched or just a plain dagger?


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#184061 07/20/2008 02:06 PM
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Waiting for the full details but I think it was a ground pack that had a new rohm inscription faked onto it to increase the value/collectability.

#184062 07/20/2008 03:54 PM
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Good for you, I hope this gets a good airing & it may let some of the other scum bags who like to rip people off know that they just may not get away with it.

So am I looking for a bad guy called MacDonald?

Burger King? KFC? Now i`m confused.

If there is scrote pumping out dodgy stuff why not just name the SOB? Why the cryptic references?


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#184063 07/20/2008 05:39 PM
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I still have no idea who they are talking about???. Someone chuck me a bone here..

#184064 07/20/2008 05:44 PM
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Landser,Sent you a mail.Did you get it??
Seiler Yank in UK) Frown

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Thanks Seiler Wink


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Revolution is when you figure it out for yourself.
#184066 08/13/2008 05:20 PM
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Gave the go ahead to issue proceedings today! so we should be good to go for a court date real soon. I am really looking forward to it, time that justice + interest + expenses + costs gets served.

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That's great! We wish you good luck.

Gailen David

#184068 08/23/2008 07:34 PM
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Mongo-

I'm very sorry about your loss and selling your collection. I could not imagine taking a hit like that!

Please keep this thread updated and good luck on your pursuit!
Brian


Thanks,
Brian

Always looking for Troop Signed WW2 Flags!
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Just an update, this has now been passed to a senior Lawyer within the company. He has written another letter to the chap. He called and asked for an extension to instruct a Lawyer of his own.

We are granting him a week (just in case his Lawyer can talk some sense into him). Then we will be pressing for a hearing date.

I am pleased that if nothing else he can start running some costs up now!.

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