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#184070 10/13/2008 06:08 PM
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good work , I hope you get what you want !


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#184071 10/14/2008 05:30 AM
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glad to hear it. keep up the fight!


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#184072 12/06/2008 10:30 PM
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Just an update on the legal position, he has now got a lawyer to write to mine. Basically it says he is disabled, he has no money, he never offered a seven day return period and also that I had taken it away prior to paying for it.

Cut a long story short, just makes me more determined to take this all the way. Thing is he admitted to another lawyer of mine he had given me 7 days to return it but he had "spent the money the next day" also I have it on a text message and posted it on here at the time. So when it goes to court hes going to look like the crook he is. Eek

Should have him in court by the end of Jan so will keep you posted.

#184073 12/07/2008 03:14 AM
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if the man hasnt any money what happens?

#184074 12/07/2008 03:51 AM
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Yes, I would like to know how the English system works on a "Judgement".

In the U.S. you win but if they have no money Your out-of-luck. Many will hire a "collection Ageny" who will usually take at least 50% of recoverable amount of the total judgement. The agency will scrape up any attachable assets.
Most lawyers before taking a "contigency case" will do an Asset search before proceeding with such a case.

Go get em Mongo! BEST OF LUCK! Cool

-serge-

#184075 12/07/2008 04:23 AM
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get em mongo. What goes around comes around...

Thanks for keeping us updated!

#184076 12/07/2008 04:55 AM
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The legal judicial system in England is what is known as the Common Law, which is also used in most Commonwealth countries and the United States.

If the guy can't pay, you can't do anything but it would be very unlikely that the person has zero assets.

#184077 12/07/2008 12:45 PM
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Pat this is not true, you can place a lean on his house, so if he ever sells it the money owed automatically is taken out by the banks and given the plaintiff.

#184078 12/07/2008 01:14 PM
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Eric, that's what I meant when I said that "it would be very unlikely that the person has zero assets ", which can be his house or anything else for that matter. Wink
Of course, I'm no lawyer (only sell cars for a living) Big Grin and here in Quebec, we only use the Civil Code, which is different from the rest of Canada.

#184079 12/07/2008 01:26 PM
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No matter what happen it still sounds like a horrible ordeal.

Gailen David

#184080 12/07/2008 02:41 PM
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He had 4-5 SS swords on the wall, and a whole house full of Lugers, Thompsons, and MP40s and other WW2 Guns it was like an armoury. Apparantly he is a big gun collector they were absolutely everywhere stacked up in every corner he was saying some of them were worth thousands. He has money and goods from ripping people like me off!.

Basically I take a judgement, then I instruct a high court baliff. The reason you instruct a high court baliff is they add their bill onto yours and act far more aggresively in taking goods over a prelonged period of time.

Now you would leave it for an indetermined period of time then unless he never wants anything he collects near him you will get your money at some stage. To be frank that will be a lot worse for him being a collector/dealer of stuff like this never knowing when the baliffs will turn up and take it all. So he will have to have nothing forever or either pay me or wait for the knock at the door. Also it will screw his credit up beyond belief having a nice county court judgement.

He stole my money dishonestly,I told him he could have given me one of the SS swords to sell if he had really spent the money. He would do it to someone else again and again so I dont care how much it costs even if I get nothing back I will follow the law to the letter in reclaiming my money.

All he had to do was the right thing and honour his seven days and give me my money back. He deserves everything coming to him.

#184081 12/07/2008 03:19 PM
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Back in the sixties I ran ads for militaria and was set-up by crooks who were smarter then I was. Got nailed for thousands of dollars
that I never recovered. Looking back I consider this my "paying for an education" era. Remember this was before good reference books or the helping hands found on the internet forums. It was a jungle. Knowledge is power but it does not always come cheaply. Buy every book on the subject you are collecting. Don't buy without a guarantee from a reputable dealer unless you know your stuff. Attend major shows to learn what going on. If you hang around with knowledgeable collectors at these shows you will learn more in a couple of days then you will learn in two years in front of your computor. Stop looking for super bargins from dealers, there usually a reason why it's cheap. Ask yourself, "how did I get so lucky?" I send back 30% of the items that are offered to me because in my opinion the stuff isn't real. I may miss a piece now and then from being overly cautious but I would rather be safe then sorry.

Gailen David

#184082 12/07/2008 03:52 PM
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Words of wisdom to follow! I am willing to pay a little more from a honest dealer for the real deal, as your paying extra for the knowledge. IMO the cloth stuff is REALLY hard, as there are tons of fakes. Now the medals are even getting harder to tell. Scares me.

IMO going to the shows is also key, holding the real deal is critical. You can't photo every detail. Weights, texture, even smell can help. Text books are key as well.

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Cloth and medals are tough even for the most knowledgeable collector in those areas. I like SS cloth but I am real careful of what I buy. Medals are always a study in progress since new fakes surface constantly. You've got to know pin & catch arangements along with key manufacturer characteristics. It's not easy but not impossible to learn. Some really great books have been published in the last few years. Buy these books if your fooling with badges. I spent almost $500 at the Max Show on newly published books on Badges. In my opinion money well spent.

Gailen David

#184084 12/07/2008 11:09 PM
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i saw this wheel chair bound collector/dealer at the last farnham he bought a f-s knife i had been looking at, he then spent some time with a dealer who seemed to know him quite well perhaps a trip to farnham on sunday is in order

#184085 12/08/2008 12:28 AM
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Oh he's broke alright...poor gimp can't afford to pay you back. Only has a house full of SS degen's,Luger's,Thompson's,MP-40's & etc. And goes to the shows and still buys! Eek Mad

Now I'm getting Pi**ed. Sounds just like other "Broke" people I've known when it was time for them to pay! Mad
Everythings in the wife's name but they are the only ones with the combo to the floor safe.

The only time you can get them to pay attention is by fileing a Lawsuit. But that just spoils that particular day. The next ...it's business as usual. Because they just don't "get-it". They been getting away with it for too long. Then one day...they do it again and this time they are in the soup. Just like "The Juice" O.J. Simpson. They finally can't wiggle out anymore and get "SQUEEZED". Razz

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#184086 12/08/2008 02:34 AM
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I say take him off shore off a boat deck and shove him overboard on his wheelchair!

#184087 12/08/2008 04:36 AM
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Time to dig up Tommy Udo (Richard Widmark "Kiss of Death")in the wheelchair scene. Big Grin for this guy.Hope you make out OK on this

If you can't remember the movie google Tommy Udo and watch the trailer on you tube.


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#184088 01/02/2009 01:26 PM
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Gailen,

Youd mentioned getting burned running ads. I have a few ads and getting some responses.

If you mind sharing, how did they "set you up"?
Selling good repros?

Ive been reading this post with interest and I approach my buying like walking in a minefield. If they are common items Army, luft, daggers for a fair price Ill buy them. Helmets, badges ALL CLOTH Ill stay away from.

The high dollar daggers... Himmler/Rohm etc. I either buy them from top dealers or at repro prices. Its worked out OK since I bought a Knights cross for 50.00 and it was good but I was prepared if it wasnt.

Chris

#184089 01/23/2009 03:07 PM
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To make sure that you dont get burnt like me please read this as it is a great way to clearly spot a post war etch.

You can see this actual fake rohm dagger etch here. I have used this method as part of the ongoing legal action here, the pictures speak for themselves.

http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/217096573/m/7480024095

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