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#183950 06/18/2008 08:07 PM
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Have one of those cup cakes to go with my coffee!!!
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#183957 06/18/2008 08:19 PM
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Very strong etch but looks fine by me and both sides seem to match in depth and color.
I think you have a good one that looks in great condition.JMO.
Thanks for all pics.
Seiler (Yank in UK) Wink

#183958 06/18/2008 08:32 PM
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I hope those are better, apparantly over the years it has changed hands a few times in collecting circles in the UK, I am buying it privately. Quite a few of the dealers have inspected it first hand and said it is OK apparantly Harvey gave it the thumbs up as well a few years ago, but I cant ask him now!. The owner seems 100% genuine and on the level I spoke to one of this daggers previous owners on the phone tonight who also said it is 100% right.

But me being a cynical git who trusts no one thought I would let a lot more cynical gits have a look at it Smile

#183959 06/18/2008 08:44 PM
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Well if Harv was OK with it,its OK.
He was seldom wrong.
Seiler (Yank in UK)

#183960 06/18/2008 09:21 PM
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Mongo,

The dagger is a fine, typical Pack SA with a beautyful red grip.

For the writing of the inscription, I would ask Gailen and/or Pat if it is correct.

Personaly I have never seen such a deep Rhm inscription. If the makersmark would be as deep, would it still be readable? Can you image if this blade would have the inscription ground: what would have been left of the blade?

One other thing: the blade appears to be stronly cleaned around the inscription, I can see no crossgrain (could be the pictures) only many scratches... but the inscription has kept all of its darkness?

These are just a few thoughs.. not to say this dagger is no good. But it is at least a very uncommon full Rhm...

Best greetings,

Herman


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I hate getting envolved with this stuff, by that I mean authenticating on line. But here is my two cents worth. Just remember my opinion is no better then anyone elses.

I do not like the inscription. There are a lot of differences between this and originals by this maker. I'll put it this way. if the piece were offered to me I would not be interested.

Gailen David

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Thanks for that, I have just measured the iscription front and rear where possible with a micrometer and they both appear to be 0.1 MM deep and are both the same to the touch. Out of my 30 SAs I do have several of the earlier ones that tend to be a bit deeper.

The runner mark scratches,do run over parts of the dedication front and rear but only the far edges. Both inscriptions are deep but you can see where some burnishing has worn off in a few places with a magnifying glass outside of the centre band.

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Gailen please can you post some pictures as an example

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Sorry, no I can't. But you should be able to compare the inscription to other original examples posted. There are lot of style differences. You should easily spot these differences when you compare to some that are shown. Rememeber this a facsimle and not open major differences. There are some who disagree.

Gailen

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Cross grain evident, its the camera/light. Same as the burnishing it comes and goes depending on the angle and the light. Not a lot I can do about that but believe me its nice and even I am happy with that.

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If your happy we're happy. That's all that counts. Congradulations.

Gailen David

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Mongo,

You should give serious consideration to what Gailen David is saying.

He is the only person I trust 100% as concerns these inscriptions. That is my 2p worth.

Dave

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Amen brother, Amen......

Gailen is the premier and final word on this subject.

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I also would agree with Gailen...

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The problem is he is not here to hold it in his hand. I have looked and looked at the inscription and cant find anything wrong with it.

So can someome please point out what differences before a good piece potentially gets junked.

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As you can see the dedication on the front has bairly been scratched out by the runner marks as well. Both dedications are reasonably deep but consistent with each other.

But you can see areas (last 5) bottom of the second word where deeper runner marks have removed some of the burnishing.

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The KISS of Death??? Frown
For the money they fetch,better to
pass and wait for another than the doubt.
Seiler (Yank in UK) Frown Confused

#183982 06/19/2008 11:15 AM
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Im gonna get a "hands on opinion" on it from a major collector I know well.

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lets look on the bright side, it is entirerly possible yours is real and all the others I've seen are not. Who knows?

Gailen David

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Now THAT is funny! Big Grin

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I've been waiting for better photos of the dedication before commenting. But I quess this is the best we are going to get so here goes...
I've never seen one like that and if I did I would not want it in my collection.
I have doubts on the originality of the dedication and if original the blade has been polished to a "non-collection" grade IMO.

And if Gailen doesn't like it...that's all you need to know and not worry about it..just send it back. Wink

-serge-

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I am really fed up now, people e-mail me telling me that certain people are wrong and not to listen to them, saying that unless they own it nothing is ever right. Others then jump on the wagon and before you know it you have something ****e!!.

People who have checked it here in the UK say it is right, others phone me to tell me its wrong.

I really dont know any more. Who the hell knows for sure??? God only knows now..

I am getting so sick of this hobby I am seriously thinking about selling everything I own and buying "star wars" figures or something else like that.

Whatever this piece is right, wrong, or indifferent it is probably the end of my collecting WW2 daggers. As things are at the moment I will never buy another piece and probably sell all the ones I have.

I sickens me to get in between such *****ing on and off the net.

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The only way to avoid this is not put anything on the forum for people to see and then ask for an opinion. There is always going to be someone who does not like what your showing. You live in England, so show it to local knowledgeable collector/dealers over there and form your own opinon. You've got some good guys over there.

Just remember you asked for opinions.

Gailen David

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That inscription does seem to be abnormally, "thick", but the rest of the dagger seems to have the correct EP&S attributes for a Rohm

Is it possible that it is real and somebody for some reason has gone over the etch again or does that just sound ridiculous?

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Dont get disheartened , take the opinions offered and make your own mind up,ive only been collecting a short time, but realise that you must listen to people who have been collecting for a long time, if YOU like it have it, all the best steve

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