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black120878 #320248 07/18/2016 06:26 PM
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Both real "Killers"

The box....the word is "Hofkunstanstalt" wink

Still existing.
Here a link:
https://www.j-leser.de/die-goldschmiede/chronik

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Westwall FAD spade is outstanding. Look at the rivets on the shovel- killer detail, love it!

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Ring boxes are cool.. When I was doing research for my project with the help of the internet [and others] it is/was sometimes possible that if the companies were still in business that they could look in their archives [if survived]. It was all very interesting.
I would try and get as much information as possible. You got to start out slow. Just can't start with 'Hey did you make SS rings for the Nazis?' A question like that would 99% of the time end the interview right there!! I had to ease in to it,,very slowly, tactfully etc. I got some amazing answers!!, Some said they did not make 'Mens rings',,just fobs cufflinks, tie clips. Some said they made nothing with political themes,that the bigger jewelers/manufacturers would only early on make military themed rings out of silver/gold. Most of the time they would cover their asses and many of course had their records destroyed by bombs, the war etc....

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Very nice collection shown here.. I'm very opinionated on some of these patterns..
top row -
Top left,for me never in solid silver,,3 from left, only in zinc alloy,the rest of the row,,not in silver..
2nd row - 3rd from left [I know not a popular opinion] but a fantasy for me, and again the rest of the row, none in silver.
3rd row - 4th from left, that square one with Swas and skull in corners,,something I've never seen. Not getting good vibrations from it,,but try and keep a open mind. Any hallmarks in it? Maybe a couple better photos[?]
Again these are my opinions from my research, findings, and experience. None of us were there when these things were made. We don't have any secret files, no insider info wink..Sometimes we just go with our gut! So agree or agree to disagree,,but I proud to say this forum does it politely ,tactfully and with respect for our other members.. You guys are the best......

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Thank you for appreciating my humble collection
3rd row - 4th from left

mark "935"

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2nd row - 3rd from left

not mark

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Top left, not silber

not mark

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3 from left, in zinc

not mark

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black120878 #320365 07/24/2016 10:39 AM
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I like

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detailed

ring and advertising clipping

not mark

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black120878 #320385 07/25/2016 02:09 PM
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My vote would go to #3 and 5...
Amateur opinion.
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Originally Posted By: Byzanti
How bout I add something to an existing thread for once! lol! Ok just saw this on German eBay and G suggested I post this and ask about hallmark... I also thought it was interesting looks almost like a diamond in the middle.., what does it say? (In my imagination I feel like it's an OLC overhoff!!) lol! Ok any thoughts guys??



Sorry for the delay. I own this ring. One of the attached photos shows the both marks on the inner side of the plate.


Upper side: Mark "900", standing on head or "006" upright.


In the middle: Two letters "T" and "S". Between the two letters something like an upright isosceles triangle without base (gleichschenkliges Dreieck ohne Basis), standing on a small pedestal (looks like a small stylized fir-tree). The entire structure is framed by a square standing upon one of its angles.


The other pic shows the enlarged front of the ring-plate with the engraved "West Wall 1939". The enlargement shows its engravement of low quality, I think.

This pattern I did not expect as early as in 1939.

Any ideas?

Thank you!

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Machine engraving....i think i have the same pattern in brass with silver plating without any marks, at least a very close one.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Originally Posted By: black120878
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ring and advertising clipping

not mark


Most fine looking rings.
But i don`t like this brass skull with the square plate and and the silver one with square plate.
I dont think that this are period german Patterns.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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how is it bad?


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black120878 #320424 07/26/2016 07:41 PM
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Black,,
I'm not a fan of 3rd row 4th from left [square] The details are too soft, skull unorthodox.
- 2nd row,3rd from left. I've never liked these since the day they started appearing, just my personal disliking.. This one the sides are all messed up but the front for whatever the reason is fine. They're just not my cup of tea.
- Even top left, [good pattern],something just doesn't look right. Soft on detail considering the condition. The sides especially.

Now that 3rd from left,,the Zinc. A good pattern.I've never had one..I think Evgeiny has one , wonder how it conpares.

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Gerd,, your hallmark is deliberate. I can't get to my library but I wouldn't be surprised if that hallmark can be identified.

Gaspare #322154 10/11/2016 04:51 PM
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Finally this guy! Still lots of swas, not mint and I think not common!

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For me a nice original of this real nice and meanwhile not easy to get pattern.
So so much ww Patterns with swas around wink
Congrats!


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
odal #322252 10/13/2016 04:12 AM
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Thanks odal! And I think u meant "not so much ww patterns w swas around" - and I agree! First I've found! Big ring too size 11 US ...crazy!!

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Originally Posted By: Mike (aka Byzanti)
Thanks odal! And I think u meant "not so much ww patterns w swas around" ......


Of course you are right wink

Got these days a not so often seen pattern made by the Frey Company. This one made from Alpacca.
The also existing silver version is still rarer.
Here some impressions of my now both variants.
Enjoy

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
odal #326804 02/25/2017 08:21 PM
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Very nice pics man.... as we discussed earlier this week, some patterns now are MORE than rare, especially if you done have one yet!

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You talk from this die?
I would suggest you post it here for discussion.
Maybe in a own thread.

Here still some better pics of a hard worn very Close ring to these above shown pattern.
No marks, but i am nearly sure it Comes from the same manufacturer.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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No, another die that was on sale on eBay Germany.... dragons teeth pattern.

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Originally Posted By: Mike (aka Byzanti)
No, another die that was on sale on eBay Germany.... dragons teeth pattern.


Maybe a missunderstanding, but of course i talked from this Dragons teeth die


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Wow what a great chance to add a second example and update an old thread .. similar to badbobs ring- this would appear as odal said then to be a nickle or silver washed brass. Early, awesome. Love it!! Thanks Brian (and odal with the assist!)

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Simple, nice and rather ring.
Meanwhile not so easy to find one. wink


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Some impressions of a gilded mother of the Westwall rings.
In some old adverts you can see they are sold with thin goldplating too.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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I have never seen a gilded one, that's pretty interesting. I learn something new here!

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New in my collection

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black120878 #332952 11/06/2017 06:07 PM
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Never seen that bracelet but the rings are well known Patterns.
Would like to see better pics of the left ring with bunker.
Thanks!


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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I have almost the same bracelet.. And yes,,for every panel there is a ring! Mine is round.. It is posted somewhere here on the forum.

Nice pieces!

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black120878 ,,,

Here are my 2 bracelets.. One for Danemark and one to Westfront..
Every panel there is also a ring. I've seen every one.. Have most, missing the plane and helmeted soldier w eagle..

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Hi all,
I just read through all 52 pages of this thread which has been running for years. What an astonishing array of Westwall Rings and other items. A few of you must have amazing collections.
As my first post to this forum, I thought you would be interested to see some WW rings from my collection. This is a small tribute to Goetz (AKA Odal) who loved WW rings.
Apologies for the picture quality. I admit that I am not the world champion ring photographer!
Cheers.


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One of my last Westwall rings.

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Nice ring, riveted I presume?

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Here is a bunker/barbed wire one we have not seen one with any silver wash remaining yet but a nice one probably 10 pages and 12 years ago. Scarce ring!

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hi mike
wow thats one i havnt seen at all has to be a very scare one with the bobbed wire even in this silver loss its still scarce model i have been moveing down the road to my daughters house been busy just cant believe what military stuff i have acumelated here just the reference military reich books alone fifty two large boxes moveing to florida in mid july the house here has to go thank god for all my girls helping thier mom and this old coot you name it i have it lost for the last thirty years now availible again its amazing when you move god help us ok mike sorry to carry on here i just love the odity of that west wall ring god bless all andy miolitarynut

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wow haven't looked here in a while.. what a nice collection SpitfireVb! Wonderful!!

Welcome to the forum Edward Gary! , another seldom seen WW ring. There are slight variations.. This is a rivet type,,a very nice ring!!!!

And Mike,,thats a pretty rare pattern.. Whats the hallmark in there??

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Doesn?t appear to be a hallmark but rather it was paper (a tag?) that seemed to be stuck on the back many years back (maybe newsprint?) and the some fibers still remain with the remnants of some word looks like part of it said ?-rung? ?

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