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Thats got to be a seldom encountered badge. Thanks for showing it Don.

I can't recall having ever seen a period picture or even an artists drawing of these in wear.

--dj--Joe

Indeed it is, I've not been able to locate either the anniversary versions or the standard stickpin types One day hopefully...

I've never seen any pix in wear either.

Staying on the nautical theme, how about the member's pin for the Marine-Regatta-Verein (MRV). Another tough one to find.

Hope you like.

Cheers
Don

Don, that's a treat for the eyes. Made a dreary day bright.

Very nice.

--dj--Joe

Joe/Don,

It's really a treat see all these rare pins, they're quite fantastic and impressive to say the least.

Many thanks to all who've continually added to this fine repetoire of membership pins and badges.

Best regards to all !

Bill

Thank you Gentlemen.

While I'm on a run I'll finish tonight with another, this time from a Wanderrudergesellschaft, "Die Wikinger, Hamburg" to be precise a rowing club who are still in existance today. Interestingly, they still use the orange & blue colours. This badge dates to around 1922.

Cheers
Don

Don, you keep coming up with pieces I have never seen before.

The rowing club was set for the war years. No need to change their badge.

--dj--Joe

I do my best Joe

More in a few days.....

Cheers
Don

It seems to have been a little quiet here this week

Here are a couple of related pins, both are for the Bund der Saarvereine:

One a standard pin for Ortsgruppe Koblenz & the other an honour pin for Landesgruppe Westmark.

The reverses are unmarked.

Cheers
Don

It is nice to log on and see something new.
Thanks Don. Two more I am seeing for the first time. They appear a fair size going by the pin.

--dj--Joe

Thanks Joe, yes the honour pin is quite a size coming in at 24mm diameter, the Koblenz at 19mm.

Cheers
Don

I suspect that you've seen this one already Joe, I know that I've posted it somewhere but can't remember where

I believe this is for the Nationalsozialistische Opfer-Gruppe in Siemensstadt.

Siemensstadt is on the outskirts or Berlin. An area of residential properties built by Siemens for their workers, much like Bournville in the UK was built by the chocolate company Cadbury's.

Interesting note is that it was made by M.Sedlatzek CHLBG, a jeweller in Charlottenburg which is just down the road to Siemensstadt.

Cheers
Don

It's a very nice piece Don. I'm not sure if I've seen it before or not. Nice age toning to it.

--dj--Joe

This one is tiny, only 16mm diameter. The Swaz is a little distorted but it is so small on the actual badge.

Made by Hoffstätter using the usual slightly oval pin plate we see so often on their pieces....

Reichsverband deutsche Bühne e.V

ADJV - Allgemeine Deutsche Jagdschutz Verein - Society for Protection of German Game Animals (legal national authority)

Founded by Dresden hunters in March 1875, its mission was chiefly to enforce state and city laws through close cooperation with registered, qualified hunters, especially against poaching and theft of wild animals. After the First World War the ADJV was an adamant proponent against turning over German hunting animals as war reparations specified in the Versailles Treaty. The fine included turning over 120 red deer, 63,000 roe-deer, 66,000 rabbits, 195,000 pheasants, six million partridges as well as 75,000 pheasant eggs.

During the National Socialist regime the organization was disbanded in 1934, and restructured into the Deutsche Jägerschaft under authority of Hermann Göring, Reichsjägermeister.

Pictured are a pair of member's pins from the city of Hannover and the state of Thüringen. Most of the ADJV-marked insignia are found in the form of those material/metal "green-hat-fuzzies" we all know and love.

Pins courtesy of Gary Southgate, photo and explanation, moi.

Great thread people, lovely rare stuff ...

Best!

Bill

Very interesting Bill, I never knew that hunting animals were part of the reparations! A couple of nice badges too.

Here is a badge I have, don't know much about it (even whether it's genuine, but it "feels" right) apart from it's to do with the control of Mange.....

Cheers
Don

Don,

This is the second badge of this type I've seen in a couple of years, however, are they authentic? ... quite possibly.

As you said the German word "Raeude" is commonly associated with mange or scabies - nasty, contagious skin diseases caused by parasitic mites found among domestic and wild animals and sometimes even humans. One can easily see why outbreaks would be cause for alarm especially among hunters, foresters, farmers and animal breeders.

I asked two good friends in Germany what they thought of the possibilities of a small sub-organ established within the DJ? One being a retired chief-forester and the other a professional hunter, both said they were unfamiliar with the badges but the chances of them being authentic were very good.

The quality of the enamel work, materials and overall construction of the badge is excellent, exactly what one could expect to see in original period pieces. The fact that the first one I looked at was very reasonably priced also leads me to believe they may be real. Who in their right mind would go to such great lengths to produce these and then basically give them away at below-market prices?

However, being a bit of a "doubting-Thomas" myself, I've never seen the badge listed in a period catalog or reference, or seen an in-wear photograph for that matter, so I'll have to say, definitely maybe. As for a fair price I'd say if you can find one for $150 or less, the badge will make a good addition to any hunting/forestry collection, no matter what the true status might be - good, bad or ugly. Hopefully we'll uncover more info about these unique badges in due time?

Not organizational badges in the truest sense, but a related trio nonetheless, three more pins from Gary's collection of hunting, forestry and shooting related goodies. While the first and third pins are rare and in outstanding condition, let me call your attention to the shooting club badge in the center. This lovely unit was presented to the shooting-king of the club from Kamenz in 1934, and portrays the best of all worlds - a wonderful crossbow motif that exhibits fine detail, silver and gilded-silver work, enameling and sports the maker's mark of, W.Walther DresdenN. (nord)

Best regards!

Bill

Thank you for your thoughts re the Räude badge, this was my thinking as well. The general quality & construction, plus the patina/grime which didn't look artificial. Hopefully some evidence will turn up eventually.

Another nice trio of badges there Bill, especially as you pointed out the Kamenz piece, gary really does have some great items.

The wappen on the piece on the right looks to be the same as for Styria in Austria. It's shown in the centre of a badge I posted earlier on this thread a couple of years ago, see about half way down the page here http://phpstack-500133-1583587.cloudwaysapps.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=230224&page=5

Cheers
Don

Gary asked about this some time back,should be in the archives.

Bill

Thanks for posting these badges, they are among my favourites.
The ADJV badge to the right (Thuringen) is a honor badge awarded only for bravery, these are extremely rare and I know of no other.The ADJV is an organisation that little is known of though there are many items that can be found and bought, badges, medals, plakettes, honor hirschfängern and many more items.

Don

Your Raude Jäger badge in my opinion is very real, I have had an example for a couple years, they are so well made that I cannot imagine that they would bother to fake to such a high degree such an uncommon and unknown badge.

Gary

Don & Mikee,

You're right on both counts, the lion belongs in the crest of Styria and Gary's was the first Räude Jäger badge I ever saw ..
as you said, somewhere here on the forums?

Been home a while with a contagious, viral pneumonia, so I've had some spare time to shoot and post these last few sets of photos, heh.. Gary and I both enjoy sharing our collections and experiences with our forum members and thank God for all you knowledgeable, die-hard participants out there who take time to add or at least make a simple comment.

All the wailing and gnashing of teeth going on about dead forums and such .. come on fellas, quit the bitching and add something interesting - photos, questions, answers, opinions, anything ... damn, I guess I'm preaching to the choir on this thread so I'll cut it short. There have been several good posts through the various forums, especially since everyone's back from the MAX just recently, so what's the deal? fini.
I'm hopping down off my soapbox now, give me a second, ja?

Sorry once again these aren't really organizational pins or badges, but just to keep in swing with the hunting, forestry and shooting tempo. A pair of nice bronze plaquettes dating back to 1907 and 1929. The cased piece was a momento from the "4th International Hunting, Shooting and Fishing Exhibit,"
titled "Grüne Woche Berlin," or "Green Week." The bronze and original case are in mint condition and was made by C.Poellath
of Schrobenhausen. The second photo shows an early bronze piece from a hunting and trophy rack exhibit in the city of Troppau, part of the Sudetenland after the First World War.
No mark on this fair-sized plaquette/medallion but also a fine specimen.

Best!

Bill

The Styrian lion first ... hope we can see this little bugger

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Sorry to hear that you are under the weather Bill, I hope that you are back on your feet soon!



Well said, I'm trying to post something people may not have seen each week or so, hopefully it will stimulate some replies.........

Some more nice pieces there Bill.



Thanks for joining in Gary. I do find the small loop at the bottom on the reverse intriguing, I assume either to help fix it to the tunic or for something to be attached to the badge. Either way I can't see a faker adding something like that to a fantasy piece?

Cheers
Don

While I cannot even hope to be able to add anything to this thread or this forum, I really enjoy the beautiful items that you all show here.

My hat is off to Willi and Baz and all of you for not only having such rare and wonderful items, but also for sharing them with us.

Bill, I will be posting some items elsewhere on GDC since I just received them and will be busy this weekend taking pictures.

Please keep on showing us and educating us about this segment of our collective hobby.

John

Don

Here's my example, it's missing a little bit of the enamelling but is marked on the rear, I checked this mark against other Austrian badges of this maker and it does match known originals.

Gary

It's a lovely piece, even with the damage.

Thanks for showing it Gary.

Cheers
Don

Bill, Don, Gary,

It's amazing the things you guys find. I love it all and much appreciated for showing it and learning from you all. Thank you.
I think I might have mentioned this in a previous thread, but their were Raudejagern as they were called to control the spread of mange.

Bill, I hope you get well soon!

Mikee

A little bit more evidence that to me that the badge is original, it might seems strange that the Raude Jäger badges posted were from an Austrian manufacturer but there is a known variation of the membership badge that was also Austrian made.
Looking also at the revesre of this badge I can see no sign of it ever being a standard membership badge either, it seems to me that these DJ badges were made for the enamel section.

Gary

Gary,

I agree, and maybe the Austrian connection isn't so strange. In Austria especially, mange(raude)would spread through the Gemswild herds, also refered to as "Gams". Hence the word for this type of mange "Gamsraude". So to help keep this mange from spreading and prevent epidemics, they employed the Raudejager. Of course back then they used methods that didn't work so well. Newer up todate methods are taught today. This disease knows no boundries. IMO, during this period in time I wouldn't think it strange for Austria to produce these for Germany.

Mikee,

Very interesting, thanks for the extra info

Moving on from the hunting theme but staying with shooting, here's another interesting piece.

I've never been able to get to the bottom of what this organisation was actually called. The badges & pins simply have "KKS" on them, Hüsken lists the name as "Deutsche Kartell für Jagd- und Sportschießen". However an earlier booklet Deutschland im Spiegel seiner Abzeichen 1930-45 by Brüggemann & Rowedder list the organisation as "Kleinkaliber-Sport e.V." which fits in the KKS far better than Hüsken's suggestion.

Anyhow here we go....

Cheers
Don

Don,

KKS - For the Advancement of Small Caliber Shooting, Registered Association - e.V. (eingetragener Verein)

I think Hüsken's title for that section of his book is more or less a generalization or "catch-all" heading for these types of organizational hunting & shooting pins. The second explanation in the "Deutschland im Spiegel seiner Abzeichen 1930-45," by Brüggemann & Rowedder is the proper translation for our identification purposes.

A superb badge and a rare one to boot! Never seen this version before, it reminds one of the SS Beförderung pins, classic.

Thanks!

Bill

Thanks for the clarification Bill, I've never been comfortable with Hüsken's title & generally use the other one.

Cheers
Don

The R. Jager badge is very real and very rare. The small loop at the bottom on the back is meant to hold a "plume" of feathers or horse hair as this badge was meant to be worn on the hunter's hat. It was the R. Jager's job to thin out the herd, keeping it healthy. He was a professional hunter.

I ran across this link to numbers for the SS zivilabzeichen.
http://phpstack-500133-1583587.cloudwaysapps.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=76922#Post76922

I know where #1 is.Where are numbers 2 thru 10??
Seiler

I wanted to respond again sooner and I might have already stated most of this somewhere before, caught a nasty flu virus, but will give it my best again.

As we know with the annexation of Austria on 12 March 1938, and afterwards known as Ostmark, all powers were transferred to Germany and Austria ceased to exist as a fully independent nation until late 1945. With that said, in regards to Gamsraude and Jagers. By July 1938 Germany or lets say with authority from the Reich's Master of the Hunt and always hunting for more titles, Reichsjagermeister (RJM) Hermann Goring imposed his own regulation that superceded Austria's, which was the arrangement of the RJM to fight Gamsraude "in Austria". Under this regulation to fight this disease, with the Landesjagermeister, a Landeskommissar was appointed, directly subordinate to the Landesjagermeister and authorized by him to provide the subordinate hunting authorities with instructions.

I won't get into all involved, or who was subordinate to who unless asked, but it was ultimately the responsibility of the Landeskommissar in agreement with the Landesjagermeister to setup a uniform criteria and general guide lines for everyone to adhere to and agree upon to fight the epidemics caused by this disease. And it was the Landeskommissar who made the "assigned hunters" available for the infected areas in all districts. Their were procedures and rules that had to be followed, as well as procedures and coordination with the veterinarian authorities and forest authorities which were crucial, and included state lands. "I wonder if any of them wore an ID badge if not the same one?" Their were do's and don'ts for owners of hunting licenses to follow and a 1000 rm fine imposed if they failed to observe them. There were methods and procedures used to take down these contaminated animals and for disposing of them. Such as firing plans, firing lists and zones were established for example. At this time I believe the title of Landesjagermeister was changed to Reichsjagermeister.

Hunter's couldn't just shoot one of these animals thought to be contaminated just because it was having a bad hair day. For example, a hunter sees what he perceives to be a contaminated animal within a herd, shoots it and soon finds that it's not diseased after all or wounds one that is and it gets away and dies contaminating animals that feed off or comes in contact with it's carcass! Better yet, the hunter shoots a diseased one and kills it, but frightens and scatters the contaminated herd into otherwise healthy herds! A few bad scenarios, but you can imagine the consequences of these actions and understand some of the difficulties they were faced with and containment was a major concern. "Access" to these infected areas was as well a major concern and access by anyone not involved in fighting this disease was not allowed in them period, no-one and for obvious reasons that meant, poachers, hikers and skiers as well.

As stated above, the Landeskommissar assigned hunters to these affected areas and to control access of people assigned in the prevention of epidemics had the right, to accomplish and perform their service in these hunting grounds, and had to wear their uniforms during this service, but only after a previous notification for permission to enter had been given. They had to present an Ausweis, (which as most of us know, is a card or badge showing the official identity of the wearer). And this Ausweis was obtained from the Landeskommissar, which had to be shown on demand.

I'll stop there and if you have any question I'll try to answer them and hope this makes sense and you can understand the reason these badges were made in Austria, and not so strange at all especially during this time, right! And as we know sometimes an Ausweis is both an ID card and a badge together. Maybe the Raude Jager badge is this Ausweis or used in relation with an ID card or hunting license or all the above. Anyway, like Houston states "it's real" and nothing more to be said after that really, but thought you might enjoy this little bit of info again! Now I'm off to bed! Thanks.

Mikee,

Thanks for the follow-up and putting things into proper perspective for us.

Hope you're well on the mend ...

Best!

Bill

Mikee, thank you for the detailed and interesting information.

Hoping you have recovered from the flu.

--dj--Joe

Womens aircraft spotters brooch.

A little damaged but I like it.

--dj--Joe

Indeed thanks to all the members for the additional background information.

That's a nice spotter's badge Joe, it certainly has that been there look. I've yet to pick one of these up, for some reason I've just never got around to it!

Here's a nice pair of long service badges for the Wirtschaftschaftskammer Saarpfalz. The silver 25 & gold 40 years. Both of these came in their presentation cases, however I haven't yet taken pix of them.

Cheers
Don