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#176707 01/28/2007 02:41 AM
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This question might of been asked here before if so I m sorry I need to know why on the Rohm daggers is most time the Rohm inscription part is obliterated / ground off was this part of the Natzification after the was

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Hello Nib:

Welcome to the forum.
Adolf Hitler ordered that all traces of Ernst Rohm be removed (including his name on dedication daggers) after The Night Of The Long Knives...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Rohm
(section four entitled "Death" - click on "Knight of the Long Knives")
...when Hitler had Rohm imprisoned and later murdered.
Hitler saw Rohm as a threat to his power who needed to be eliminated.
I hope that this is helpful to you.
P.S. Don't be afraid to ask questions, this is how we learn.


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#176709 01/28/2007 10:50 AM
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Nib, Robert is definitely on the right track,

If you really are interested to take a closer look about “this event” there is many great books that include this subject, but one great book only about the purge that hopefully still available is “The night of the long knifes” written by Max Gallo.

Here is a little fragment from Gallos book regarding your question.

After Rohm’s assassination known as “The night of the long knifes” the radio announces on Sunday July 1, 1934 that the Gruppenfürer Von Obernitz, head of the SA in Franken, orders:

1) That Rohm’s name must be removed from all swords and of honor. (daggers of honor in the Swedish edition)
2) That all portraits of Rohm will be disposed of
3) That the Ernest Rohm house, will be renamed, henceforth it is to be designated the administrative service of the SA of Franken.

Sam,


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#176710 01/28/2007 11:42 AM
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Thank's for the help Sam.
There's so much to learn about this peroid in history.
That's one of the many things that I love about it.
From what you're saying, it sounds like Hitler was doing to Rohm what Stalin did to Trotsky.
Removing his image from group shots and so forth.
Erasing them from history so to speak.


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Robert
#176711 01/28/2007 04:52 PM
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Exactly Robert, just like the man never exists.

Another example is the so called cigarette card albums, were the pictures of Rohm were replaced after the purge by pictures of new head of SA Viktor Lutze and sometimes one can see group pictures that originally included Rohm that he simply was removed in later editions of these albums.

This is my quick view and opinion regarding the purge after reading several books in the subject.

Well, the whole purge was built on false evidence fabricated by SD leader Reinhard Heydrich by orders from Reichsfurer SS Henrich Himmler and the creator of Gestapo Hermann Goring to convince Hitler that his old comrade from the early days the SA Stabs chef Ernst Röhm and staff was talking about a second revolution and was planning a plot against Hitler& the Nazi party.

What Himmler, Goring and Heydrich had in mind was to reduce the power of the SA, at that time about 3 million men because the powerful SA was an obstacle for Himmler’s expansion and the future independence of the fast growing SS.
The truth is that Rohm never had any intention or plans for a plot against Hitler, but he always had a vision to merge the Army with the SA, which of course worried the Reicshwehr a lot.

In late June 1934, Hitler finally agreed to sacrifice Rohm after several attempt at persuasion from Himmler and Goring.
The Reichswehr agreed to the purge and promised their loyalty to Hitler.
Hitler promised in return to expand both the army and the navy in exchange for their support.

Rohm and other SA leaders were arrested in the early morning of June 30, 1934 at the seaside resort Bad Wiessee pension Hanselbauer not far from Munchen by men from “Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler” lead by Commander Sepp Dietrich.

The sleeping SA leaders at Bad Wiessee were taking by surprise and never understand what they were accused for but there were no mercy to expected and some men were assassinated right on spot and others were killed July 1 - July 2.

Rohm was shot to death on Sunday July 1 in his cell in Stadelheim prison, München by SS-Brigadeführer (Dachau commander) Theodore Eicke and his adjutant SS-Sturmbannführer Michael Lippert after declining an offer from Eicke to become suicide. Lippert fired two shoots, Rohm fell on his back stammering, mein Fürhrer mein Fürhrer! Eicke then finished him of with a bullet in his chest.

The blood purge ended up in July 2.
Officially 77-83 high leaders including Rohm was assassinated in June 30 - July 2, 1934 in the so-called "Night of the long knifes"(Nacht der langen Messer).
The real numbers of men that were killed all over Germany in the operation was probably more than five hundred, a huge numbered were non-SA members.

Rohm was replaced by Viktor Lutze but the organization lost its direction and leadership, it was continue through the war but was never the force it had been once.

Lutze was killed in a car accident in may 1943 and was replaced by Wilhelm Schepmann.

The speculations regarding the 200 Himmler dedication daggers awarded by SS men involved and did their duty in the purge, is another story.
http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/728099473/m/5930013664


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That's fascinating Sam.
You've really done your homework on this.
Thank you for the post.


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Robert
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quote:
Originally posted by Daggerob:
That's fascinating Sam.
You've really done your homework on this.
Thank you for the post.


My pleasure Robert,glad to help,

Sam,


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#176714 01/29/2007 12:03 AM
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Thank you both very much I never knew any of this I could never figure out why these nice daggers were defaced like that
Again Thanks
nib

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Originally posted by nib:
Thank you both very much I never knew any of this I could never figure out why these nice daggers were defaced like that
Again Thanks
nib


Anytime nib,


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#176716 02/05/2007 04:40 PM
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i was about the aske the same question:
why did they grounded these rohm dagger in th efirst place?
But I guess this thread has given me the needed answers.
Maybe just one: why would they just destroy the daggers ? Why all the effort to be left with a heavily damaged piece?


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#176717 02/06/2007 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by joemustang65:
Maybe just one: why would they just destroy the daggers ? Why all the effort to be left with a heavily damaged piece?



The simple answer is probably fear and loyalty!
Who wanted to be caught with a piece that the name of Röhm was still remaining when the order about removing Röhms name on everything in the Reich was announced.
Who knows what the penalty had been for refusing that order?

Oh I’m sorry, I have forgot to remove the name of “you know” but I promise to do that tomorrow, I don’t think no TR authorities would have accepted any excuses like that.

Good for collectors that some pieces still exist after all.

Sam,


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