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Can someone tell me if this is a Klass Red Cross dagger? It looks like an enlisted (not officer's) version to me. Handed down to me from my Uncle who served in WWII. Can someone tell me a little history on it, like how old it is, what it was used for, opinion on its conditin and value.

The scabbard has a letter "D" stamped on it and the number "54". Other than that no real descriptive markings, initials, or manufacturer ID.

Thanks!

I meant to spell it Klaas. Here's another photo.

No, this one is a P D Luneschloss. The way you can easily tell the difference is that Klaas has the bottom fitting screws on the sides and PDL does not.
Also, if you look at enough over time, you can see differences in the hilt fittings including the ovals, but not as easy as the scabbards.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

Thanks Ron. I read some other posts about the screws but didn't really understand them. This hewer has 2 screws in the handle, it also has to on either side at the base of the hilt (same level as the cross).

Can you tell me anything more about it? Years of manufacture, what the "D" & # "54" stamped on the sheath mean, general condition (fair, what it's value might be, etc? Thanks for your time. Gil

Gil,
Ron is correct, yours is a Luneschloss. I don't have all of the answers that you are looking for, but I have a few.
Yours is in what dealers would probably call "Exc." condition. The rust on the blade and the dent to the scabbard are the two significant detractors. On the up-side it still has its original frog (the leather thing used to attach it to a belt) which are often missing. I cannot SAY whay it IS worth but I would guess around $500.00, maybe a little less, but that is just my opinion.
These were issued to German Red Cross Enlisted men, officers had a different design. I am not sure the exact dates of manufacture (but obviously third reich).
The marks on the scabbard are either a manufacturers identification or a unit number. I honestly am not sure, like I said, I don't know all the answers .
The blade has a saw back used for "cutting branches in order to make splints in the field" and the tip is blunted in order to comply with the treaty of Versaills (Sp??? ) which stated that red cross men could not carry pointed blades (IE, weapons) onto the field.
The only markings on these blades is the stamp "Ges. Gescheft" on the reverse under the crossguard shield. This losely translates to "design protected" (somthing like "patent pending").
Well, that's about all I know.
Hope it helps,
Johnny