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I am way over my head (as usual) with this one!!

I acquired a Saxon medal bar.

The first medal (left to right) is a St. Henry silver. This one is marked "Rothe". I have been able to find out that awarded silver Henrys were marked F. U. which stands for Friedrich Ulbricht, Dresden. Can someone tell me what the "Rothe" is ??????? Is it an upgrade to the F. U. or a cheaper version just for the bar ???

The Henry is followed by an as awarded 1870 EK2, a Prussian 1870-1871 campaign medal and then a Saxon campaign cross for 1866. Sorry I cannot provide a pic.

Any help would be greatly appreciated even some comments about the silver (and gold) Henry medals.

Thanks,


Rod

Perhaps someone can direct me to a good definitive source for information. I have seen bits and pieces of information, but no fully descriptive articles.

Thanks again,

Rod

You have probably seen the same sites I have. Should I happen across an informative page on Imperial awards I will post a link.

--dj--Joe

Derjager.. thanks for the reply.

Guess my interests have shifted from the 3d Reich into the imperial period. Seems like there is so little information available and a very narrow group of collectors.

I will continue to look and would greatly appreciate any further help you can give me.

I bought the medal bar from Detlev which is unusual for me as his stuff is gonneee so quickly. It was rather pricy, but it sure is a fascinating item. For me.... I would rather have it than an RK even for the same price.

Thanks again,


Rod

Rod,

I'm a little confused but don't worry, that's normal... Is it that you have a photo and just can't post it, or there's no photo at all?
If you do have one or some you could send them to me at bbwarda@aol.com and I'll see if I can lend a hand. Sounds like a nice bar.

Bill

Hi WWll,

Watch your email for my reply with the pic!!!

Thanks,

Rod

I am sure you have come across the following link already.
http://home.att.net/~david.danner/militaria/states.htm

--dj--Joe

Derjager.... yes Joe I have seen this one. Sure would like to learn more of its history and interesting points.

Thanks,

Rod

One more link.
http://www.medalnet.net/

--dj--Joe

Joe.... thanks again!! Looks like a good site. That "floating" menu on the left could drive me nuts!!!


Rod

Rod,

Let's see how these work..?

2/2

A beautiful medal bar/grouping! The condition of the EK looks first rate.

There's a useful biography of Rothe in the book,
"Court Jewelers of the World" by Jeffrey R. Jacob.

That's one classy-looking bar, congratulations
and thanks for letting us all check it out.

Bill Warda

Bill ........ thanks so very much for the posting!! Pics came out great!!

The very few Henrys I have read about so far come from the WWl period which had the "F.U." maker mark at the base of the bust. I am starting to wonder if "Rothe" was the court jeweler for the earlier 1866 and 1870 periods. I would really like to know if this Henry was the awarded medal the same as the "as awarded" EK2.

I will be watching for comments.


Rod

I have now run into a term....... spangenstuck!!!

Based on what I am piecing together on other forums I think the following is right but I need confirmation:

Am I right in saying this term spangenstuck refers to a non-awarded medal that was used for medal bar purposes in lieu of the actually awarded medal????....... and that the spangenstuck medals were not hallmarked.... and used plated silver (or gold if that was the awarded medal). Also the spangenstuck Henrys used a small ring instead of a ball as on my medal for the ribbon ring??

Finally all the F.U. marked Henrys I see on other forums are associated with WW1. Maybe Rothe was the offical court jeweler for the earlier 1866 thru 1871 period???

I am really starting to think my Henry was the solid silver awarded medal.

Ohhhh a little knowledge is a dangerous thing!!!!

Come on guys .... someone please comment!! .. this is (obviously) driving me nuts!!!


Rod

Rod, you bring up an interesting question. Wish I had the answer, but at this time do not.

--dj--Joe

Welllll I am still digging but I have hit pay dirt.

Seems like the Rothe (Austrian court jeweler) Henry medal comes from the 1866 campaign when Austria and Saxony were combined against the Prussians. Only 261 silver Henrys were awarded during this period so mine is much more scarce than the F. U. marked ones.

My guy was certainly a brave Saxon soldier. He won a top bravery award in 1866 for fighting against the Prussians, then won the Prussian EK2 during 1870 -1871 fighting with the Prussians against France. Sounds like musical chairs huh??

Rod

Now that is a grouping!!! Thanks for sharing it!