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#169443 03/08/2006 01:33 AM
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Anyone see this pattern before?

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Reverse.

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#169445 03/08/2006 01:36 AM
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Close up of cross guard.

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reverse guard

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#169447 03/08/2006 03:10 AM
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I could not match the pattern in my books. I take it that their is no maker mark. A vary nice and attractive sword.

#169448 03/09/2006 04:00 AM
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Hey, Fab, you sure do have a way of coming into some really unusual patterns! Now, that is a really nice ANTON WINGEN piece, congratualtions! Maybe Wotan, or someone else has an idea about what the image on the langet signifies? What do you think Fred?

#169449 03/09/2006 06:56 AM
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mrfabulous, that is a very ornate, good looking sabre.
For me the monogram for sure looks like "PG". IMO this certain monogram, because of the extreme skillfulness, the certain "european look", the certain style of the period, how it has been placed and how the place on the shield was used and the patination within the engraving, looks like a nice period one. When you know what to look for imo this monogram does differ very much from any obviously past period (an mainly outside germany) done engravings.
Naturally, an experienced (mostly) german engraver (german because of a certain style; also although the letters are the same the style of writing and the look of letters does differ during the countries) could do exact copies of such an engraving. But this one looks totally period to me due to the pics.
Thank you very much for showing it! Perhaps it would be possible to show us the mm too? Thank you in advance.


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Thanks. When I got this piece, I did`nt think there was this much gilting left.I have no doubts as to the period of the initials either.
here`s a pic of the tm and a comparison shot of two Wingens.

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TM pic. Wotan, does the eagle over the crossed swords have any significance?

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#169452 03/09/2006 06:47 PM
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Upon reflection, I would surmise that this cavalry pattern with the shield & Prussian style eagle langet was one of the different models offered by Wingen at the time, and possibly might be a Weimar/Third Reich transtional model. Maybe it wasn`t a big seller and that`s why we haven`t seen one before. The 'square', or initials (EB?) on the eagle`s chest is also intriguing. A handsome saber, anyway you look at it.

#169453 03/11/2006 01:31 PM
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mrfabulous, I think it is a neutral composition in relation to the sometimmes "crossed-sabres-under-a-shield-with-applied-coat-of-arms" arrangements seen in castles and palaces. Especially as the coat of arms does not have any special significance.
Impressive to see two variations of this rare sabre side by side.


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