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#167362 09/21/2007 06:03 PM
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Post a photo of your saber with the funkiest langets. I know some odd ones are out there. Here is the strangest one I have. Saber by Paul Weyersberg and Co. Probably a pre-TR saber.

FYI- the grip and grip wire are not original to the saber. She was totally trashed when I purchased her and needed some TLC.

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#167363 09/27/2007 03:22 PM
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Endless variety Cool

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#167364 09/28/2007 04:00 PM
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Interesting Baron. I'm not sure that the posted sword is pre 1933. There were a few 3rd Reich Heer issued swords without the eagle and swas. The Eickhorn Roon pattern immediately comes to mind.
Angolia pg 80. If you don't have it let me know and I'll post one.

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Hi Paul,
Yea, I'm aware. I've got a number of various post '33 sabers with non-eagle langet sabers. Mostly variations of the crossed oak-leaf sprigs. This pattern I posted is the only one with this distinct patterned langet I have ever come accross. Made by Weyersberg.

I'm still trying to buy the Eickhonr Roon with the single upright oakleaf. To the best of my knowledge, they were the only one who made a saber with that particular pattern. You had one in kinda' rough shape for sale some time ago that ended up being sold. That's a tough saber to find. Even though the demand for it seems relatively low, it's still a rare pattern overall. I don't think it was that popular in TR Germany. In Johnsons newest saber series, he has a photo of that model. I'd need to page through it for the exact page number. It's not featured in Agolia. Only the crossed leaf saber, like stated on pg. 80 and also 159. Various other manufacturers made this style langet including Weyersberg, Holler and WMW. ACS made thier casted, single leaf, double sided langet saber, which I have pre-'33 and a post-'33 examples of.

Something to keep in mind regarding the saber pictured in the original post; it has been significantly doctored. Grip, Grip wire, not orignial to the sword. I had rto replace it after purchase. She was a wreck when I bought her. Totally wrecked. In really bad shape. So dont allow the grip or grip wire to influence ones opinion. The replacement harware can be misleading.


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#167366 09/28/2007 07:37 PM
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ACS Pre-33 with what remains of a fingerloop under the ferul.

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#167367 09/28/2007 07:38 PM
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ACS post 33

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#167368 09/28/2007 07:38 PM
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Weyersberg, similiar to one of the Roon models with crossed oak leafs. There are quite a few of these stylized langeted sabers to be found still.

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#167369 09/28/2007 07:39 PM
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Holler with crossed oak leafs. The grip wire is not original to the saber. If I recall, I had replaced it as the factory wire was wasted.

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#167370 09/28/2007 07:47 PM
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Here's the Eickhorn I was describing that i'm trying to find. Photo court. of Johnson, pg. 48. German Swords of WWII book.

The blade marking is not the manufacturers stamp. Merely a dist. marking.

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#167371 09/28/2007 08:10 PM
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Interesting.
I always wondered why a guy would buy one of these swords.
Perhaps he was not a NSDAP supporter.
Just his way of protest, however small it might seem.... Big Grin

#167372 09/28/2007 08:21 PM
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I find it interesting as well. I'd think that an officer or NCO, would opt for the normal saber. Perhaps you're right. Maybe for wehrmacht officers who were not member of the NSDAP. I don't really know. In fact I somewhat surprised that manufacturers were granted permission to sell these style sabers. From my experience, they date the latest from the mid to late 30's. Perhaps the time frame played a factor.

There's a photo of Oberst Wilhelm Nadele, decorated RK winner, rolling with a plain hilted NCO style saber in a formal wehrmacht photo. Was it his? Was it a loaner from the studio? Why would he not have a standard style TR officer saber? I dont' really know if he was a party member or not. I get the impression, he was from the "old guard" but cannot say with any certainty.

Interesting.


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#167373 09/28/2007 08:33 PM
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Trajan, what or who in heavens name is that in the lower right picture? That's a new one for me.

#167374 09/28/2007 08:52 PM
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Yea, what is that sun-face all about? I know the reich was big on Germanic solsctice/winter/occult style teutonic celebration. Does this perhaps have anyting to do with that langet?


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#167375 09/28/2007 09:15 PM
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Hello,

That's pre TR as it has an Imperial Eagle on the blade but its the strangest langet I have --also a knight's head in 3-d on the guard. Heavy gold plate and damascus blade by PD Lunenschloss.

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#167376 09/28/2007 09:16 PM
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another

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blade1

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blade2

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#167379 09/28/2007 09:30 PM
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Very cool, never ever seen that one before! If possible could you show the 2nd from left bottom row.

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That's a Holler 21 --kind of similar to that cool Herder dovehead you have on your site.

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#167381 09/28/2007 11:01 PM
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Yes very similar. Man that is the sweetest Army sword made!!!!!
I have always wanted one. Gotta love that art deco look! Sir you have some great stuff you can hold your hear high!

#167382 10/01/2007 07:47 PM
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groovy stuff,guys. here are my contrabutions.
Herder and WMW First pic

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Herder and Holler

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#167384 10/01/2007 07:51 PM
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And one with cast oakleaves. No maker, but a groovy distibuter`s mark

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#167385 10/01/2007 07:52 PM
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distributer`s mark.

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#167386 10/01/2007 07:55 PM
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I`m assuming that this is a Seilheimer product as I have a Dovehead with applied eagle with identical crossguard(minus oakleaves)and same reverse langet.

#167387 10/01/2007 08:10 PM
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Here`s the dovehead with pinned eagle.
This was still in the Vet`s hands until 3 years ago!!

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#167388 10/02/2007 12:41 AM
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George,
I figured you'd have a Lutzow. I've always like the 2 tone langets with the silver whermacht eagles. It really puts a nice touch on 'em. There was one on ePoop that sold recently, I think WKC if I recall, that want for a very reasonable price. I missed 'er though.

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#167389 10/02/2007 12:59 AM
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George always a pleasure to see your stuff!!!

#167390 10/02/2007 12:18 PM
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If I ever had a Lutzow, I`d have sold it to buy something a bit groovier!
Thanks and see you`all at the MAX!!

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Mrfabulous---love the WMW pantherhead!

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Any of you got a Klaas with the webbed Pguard?

#167393 10/05/2007 12:30 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by mrfabulous:
groovy stuff,guys. here are my contrabutions.
Herder and WMW First pic


I love these swords-superb


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#167394 10/11/2007 09:45 AM
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Lakeside, if you get that Klaas, you have my email addy!!!

#167395 10/11/2007 11:45 AM
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Only been looking for 10 years....

#167396 10/11/2007 02:25 PM
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My guess on the Imperial sun face. How about Athena, the goddess of War???

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quote:
Originally posted by mrfabulous:
groovy stuff,guys. here are my contrabutions.
Herder and WMW First pic
Hi new to this have about 12swords inc.justice and prison officials with knot could you show pictures of the back straps and knuckle bows on the herder and wvw art deco style swords.thanks

#167398 11/30/2008 09:12 PM
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Hereya go

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backside

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another

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another again

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WMW action

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#167403 12/01/2008 02:32 AM
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How do you like this pattern Wink

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#167408 12/01/2008 05:21 PM
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One of my favorites! This model was my first sword back in `82. It has a gold pinned eagle and still own it. Smile

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