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#164351 06/06/2008 12:32 AM
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Hello,

Since we seem to have lost our WSP thread I would like to start a new one.

Clearly the WSP was a very small organization and consequently any relics from that group are rare in the real sense. For those not familiar with what they did, the WSP was responsible for the security of waterways, including inland lakes and rivers,as well as ocean harbors.

It was a dead end job, and not considered a positive as far as career was concerned. My understanding is that there were NO officer promotions in the WSP for the duration of the war. Many of the personnel were drawn from the navy pre-war. There were NO general rank WSP.


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Bill Unland

#164352 06/06/2008 12:42 AM
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Here is one of Joe's photos, which I'm sure he won't mind my reposting, showing "big" bullion cap eagles in wear. The two guys in the middle seem to be wearing cap eagles as large as sleeve eagles, so my combination above would not be impossible.

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#164353 06/06/2008 02:20 AM
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Here is a side cap. Not very good picture. It has a 1944 date in it but is faded and hard to read in a photo.

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Water police side cap

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#164354 06/06/2008 03:58 AM
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WSP Officer's Schirmmuetze:

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#164355 06/06/2008 04:16 AM
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Unfortuantely WSP uniforms are rather scarce and about all I have are some period pictures to share. I'll have to dig out some rank and sleeve insignia to add later. Thinking back, it seems like a I only remember seeing one tunic berfore from ORPO...

That is a serious bummer another thread went missing, although it doesn't surprise me. Hopefully these thread issues will cease!

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#164356 06/06/2008 04:18 AM
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And another picture of the same officer...

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#164357 06/06/2008 06:07 AM
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Dave,

That guy's cap eagle is HUGE. Almost looks like a sleeve eagle.

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#164358 06/06/2008 01:45 PM
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I am afraid that after my computer crash I only have some poor quality backup photos remaining and none from the old lost WSP thread.

At any rate, here is the Wasserschutzpolizei NCO uniform once again.

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#164359 06/06/2008 05:34 PM
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This is all I have Paul

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#164360 06/06/2008 05:35 PM
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#2

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#164361 06/07/2008 12:15 AM
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Thanks George, the only one I have ever seen.

Paul never say "only", that is a very pretty dagger.

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Bill U

#164362 06/07/2008 03:23 PM
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Thank you so much Bill . . . I'm likely one of many, who truly appreciate your efforts in trying to reestablish the lost thread on the WSP!

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#164363 06/21/2008 05:12 AM
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WSP Senior NCO:

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WSP NCO:

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#164365 06/21/2008 05:14 AM
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WSP Offizier:

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#164366 06/21/2008 05:15 AM
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WSP w/ SS runes:

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#164367 06/21/2008 05:17 AM
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WSP Officer:

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#164368 06/21/2008 05:18 AM
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Another w/ bullion eagle:

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#164369 06/21/2008 05:20 AM
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Joe, this one should look familiar--a WSP by my favorite maker, Pekuro:

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#164370 08/25/2008 07:51 PM
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did the rank of Zugwachtmeister apply to the wsp Smile

#164371 08/26/2008 12:26 AM
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Dear DW,

NO. Here is a link to WSP ranks on Ernst's site: http://www.germanpolice.org/index2.htm?/organisation/branche-schupo-r-wsp.htm

Look under shoulderboards/Wasserschutzpolizei.

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Bill Unland

#164372 08/26/2008 02:53 PM
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DW,

When you look at Ernst's webpage you should also notice that Zugwachtmeister is a position and not a specific rank. The position could be held by several ranks just like the position of der Spiess. Both are indicated by rings of tresse on the cuffs rather than rank on the shoulder boards.


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#164373 10/06/2008 03:55 PM
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I have not got much WSP its very hard to find, and those that do have it are very lucky. So here is all I have. Officers side cap.

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#164374 10/06/2008 03:56 PM
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front of side cap with other ranks eagle

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#164375 10/06/2008 03:57 PM
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inside

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#164376 10/06/2008 03:58 PM
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couple of pairs of shoulderboards

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#164377 10/06/2008 03:58 PM
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other ranks arm eagle

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#164378 10/06/2008 03:59 PM
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officers arm eagle

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#164379 10/06/2008 04:32 PM
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Here is a nice photo study of water police uniforms in wear. On the right of the picture we have a man with a hugh none regulation (or is it?) cap eagle in metal, behind him there is a man with the not seen before, water police cape in wear and on the left side is the greatcoat and the reverse of the service coat. A very nice photo.

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#164380 10/06/2008 04:33 PM
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close up of the extreamly large metal cap eagle

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here is another photo with the bullion cap eagle in wear

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here is another very interesting photo showing water police wearing what appears to be summer issue mottled uniforms. Notice the man in the middle of the picture who is wearing collar patches, wonder if they are yellow? and the man at the back of the photo who has got no shoulderboards

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close up of uniforms

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One last one, three types of uniform worn in this photo, on the right the regular navy blue jacket next to the summer jacket on the other side ther is a white jacket in wear, but the cap he is wearing would indicate that he is other ranks with the lack of chin chords, could this man be wearing a yellow on white eagle??

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#164385 10/08/2008 03:54 AM
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Here my Wasserschutz-Polizei bevo sleeve eagle .

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..and the backside is almost as interesting !

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#164387 10/08/2008 03:58 AM
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My only sgl. Lt. shoulder board.

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..and a close-up.

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..it is a slip-on .

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#164390 10/08/2008 04:02 AM
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My pair of 'Meister' shoulder boards.

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