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Opinions on this blade ..... Good or Bad .... appreciated ... thanks -

Gordon

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Gordon,
That looks like a real one to me. I can not find anything wrong with the inscription.
But don't go by my word on it. There are guys here that can tell for sure.

Very nice to find a full Rohm on an F. Dick with the "Horizontal logo".

If that's fake...it's the best I've seen so far.

Regards,
-serge-

the maker mark looks strange,different from this one,nats

http://www.stan-the-man.tk/

I agree that the maker mark doesn't look right for an SA. Also, on my ground example, the mark is closer to the guard.

The mark is not correct according to all that I have seen.

Dave

PS - I took out the EP&S grip you posted by mistake, Gordon

Well we know that F. Dick was a known Rohm maker.
Regarding the Co. logo's and location, there is not a more confusing company, even e-pack IMO.
Note the location of the logo on Nat's and Rev's examples. Both are correct and seen and accepted as "period" on Rohms.
Then we have the "Esslingen" variant.
And the "across the blade" variant.

The above are known and accepted by some veterans in the hobby as "period" Rohms.

Now I haven't seen Gordon's version on an SA, but that doesn't mean anything. Doesn't mean that they didn't make it.

Fisher lists it as a known version BUT was it used on a Rohm SA??
Also note the "accepted" group stamps. Gordon, which one is on yours?

With this maker with all their various logos and locations, I would see first if the Rohm inscription is authentic, then perhaps the logo might be also.

Regards,
-serge-

Great research info, Serge! We need more of that when discussing authenticity.

Difficult to read from photo but Gau mark appears to be MI -

Gordon

FASCINATING!!!
This could be a rare maker mark variation for Rohm pieces!!!
Id there any chance we can get some pics. of the blade obverse. Comparing the obverse and reverse is the best way (IMO) to start determining authenticity.
Great stuff!
Johnny

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Serge,

If I am reading the sheet correctly, #13 and #14 are the ones that he has seen on SA daggers. The other trademarks are from other products or other eras. This agrees with what Anthony Carter says on page 113 of his book.

Dave

Dave,

That is correct and the way I read it.

However we who have been around a while know that the books are great but just a guideline. From what I have seen in this hobby that there are plenty examples of exceptions that are original that have been thankfully demonstrated over the years just on this site.

I'm not sure that Gordon's dagger is "correct". It's clearly not textbook regarding the makers logo. But here's my question to our 2 or 3 Rohm dedication experts: Do you guys see anything wrong with it? If so, what is it? I see nothing wrong with it.
I feel when we come to an example like Gordon's we should start with first verifying the originality of the Rohm dedication. It's a great stating point IMO. If that's "wrong" then who cares about the what or where the logo is. But if the dedication turns out to be "correct" then I feel we have a stong case for a genuine period previously unknown variation.
Anyway that's the approach I like to use.

Over the years I have seen many, as it turned out later, "Babies thrown out with the bathwater" when in came to daggers.
Recently we had the "Great E-Pack logo" debate. You recall that? Full etched hammer was good, outlined hammer was bad. Now we know that it was just a variation and both we're good. It was the fakers that used the "outline" logo but copied them from ...Period originals.
Makes one wonder how many "good" Rohm's were dumped? How many collectors felt they were "done-in", when all along many of them were "Right-as-Rain".

Regards,
-serge-

I also think along the same lines as Serge. I'm no Rohm expert, but this looks to be another example of why references should be used as a guide, and not the be-all and end-all. Excluding period catalogues, daggers were in no references at one time and it stands to reason that we haven't seen everything yet. So, if everything else checks out with the experts, this could well be another variation on an SA as it doesn't make sense to expertly fake every other detail and get the maker mark wrong. It certainly is a great looking dagger.

Regards
Russell

I don't like it at all....
The reverse (with the "rohm" inscription) is near mint. While the obverse is Exc at BEST.
I am not buying it... One side of the blade cannot be in such nice shape while the other side is clearly NOT.
My opinion is to RUN!!!
Johnny

Obverse = Pitted to hell
Reverse = Mint (and arguably re-crossgrained)

John my thoughts exactly! I noticed the difference in the blade immeadiately. I was wondering why others don't see this.

Johnny! Bingo! You hit it. I didn't see it. But you and Ed did.

It's the Ole "do the one side" trick. Good Man! Congrats!!

It's the crossgrain they have a problem with...for now. But that dedication is scary. That is the best fake Rohm etch I've seen so far.

Gordon, just so we where this stuff is coming from, is that piece from Militaria 321 or ???

Way to go Johnny!

Regards,
-serge-

I missed it at first untill I saw the motto and then after that I went back to pic.1 and it was as plain as day. If you look close you can see where they precleaned the area for the inscription.

Serge -

It's on a German site called MILSHOP -

Gordon

I took a look myself at his listing and it is priced way to cheap!In fact I believe he knows it ain't right! That in itself would put me with an uneasy feeling dealing with these people!

Yes ...... the price was too low. That's why I posted it for opinions from our more experienced collectors. Also I've had no dealings with that particular dealer and don't know his reputation.

Gordon

Get it checked out properly and save the sleepless nights!

The crossgrain on the Rohm's I've seen is very fine. Here is one from e-Pack.

Regards,
-serge-

Edited for adult language.

LOL at terry

Damn Serge! That is a HELL of a nice full Rohm! MINT blade and that's no exageration! Congrats!!!
Johnny

Terry- Don't worry, I cursed out loud when I saw that blade too!!

Thanks Johnny!

Gordon, Milshop,Militaria 321 and a few in England ... sell a bunch of junk.
If they have a good item they won't put it out. Why not put out an "want" ad and some of the guys here might help you out. Also you can come to the MAX and join the "buzz".

Regards,
-serge-

Guys, as an European, I'm telling you: stay away from buying in Germany, England, ex-Eastern Block etc. Whole Europe is drowning in a flood of fakes, you wouldn't even imagine how convincing fakes. Take the advice from someone who has learned a bitter lesson and stay by SOS, MAX and the VETS plus some trustworthy dealers of course. America is the best country in world to get the III Reich stuff. 95% of cream of my collection is the GI's ex-war booty and I'm just thankful to all these soldiers who were attracted to all the "nazi war souvenirs" and saved them from destruction.
Here in Europe there's a big demand but not much good stuff, so one can have either very expensive originals or tuned up "semi originals" at US prices.