#16000
05/18/2009 06:29 PM
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Hi!
I´ve got a question to this particular fighting-knife.
Dimensions:
Lenght overall: apx. 28,7 cm
Blade lenght: apx. 16,2 cm
Lenght of the hilt: apx. 12,5 cm
Lenght of scabbard: apx. 16,6 cm
crossguard: apx. 5,9 cm / 21 mm / 3,4 mm
blade: apx. 4 mm "strong", apx 2,6 cm "broad"
rel. "heavy" blade ...
Not any markings visible ...
This knife´s serial-made for sure and not an "trench-art" !
A fellow collector spottet some of this knive´s at flea-market´s once before, (but in very poor shape and without scabbard).
In a German Gun-magazine this knife´s also shown ...
There´s believed, that this knife probably was manufactured in Romania, Czechoslovakia or Russia ...
But no evidence in case of the period of production, only the suggestion, it´s "wartime" ...
Does anybody of you have had seen a knife like this before ?
Thx in advance,
R.
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#16001
05/18/2009 06:31 PM
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05/18/2009 06:31 PM
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05/18/2009 06:32 PM
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#16004
05/18/2009 06:34 PM
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#16005
05/18/2009 08:35 PM
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Looks similar to a Herters Fighting knife.
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#16006
09/06/2009 04:50 PM
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Hi there !
Another try ...
Day´s ago I received an, (also still unknown ...),fighting-knife.
I´m sure, that both knive´s where made in the same country for the same Armed Forces!
I cannot believe, that nobody´s able to get some information´s concerning this knife ...
Cheers,
R.
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09/06/2009 04:51 PM
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09/06/2009 04:51 PM
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09/06/2009 04:52 PM
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09/06/2009 04:52 PM
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09/06/2009 04:53 PM
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09/06/2009 04:53 PM
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#16013
09/06/2009 05:27 PM
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Interesting knife pattern, gentlemen.
As far as my knowledge tells me, these things are probably Italian. There did exist a very similar pattern during WWI which was used by the Italians and also the Austro-Hungarians. They are basically identical pieces. I suspect that this knife is from the same generic group.
FJS
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#16014
09/06/2009 06:17 PM
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Hi !
I´m pretty sure, you´re meaning the italian copy of the Austrian-Hungarian pattern fighting-knife "M 1917", (Italian "M 1939"), but you´re wrong ...
The Austrian-Hungarian "M 1917" "Sturmmesser":
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#16015
09/06/2009 06:18 PM
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another pic´s of the Austrian-Hungarian pattern 1917:
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#16016
09/06/2009 06:18 PM
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#16017
05/30/2010 09:49 AM
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More than an year ago I started this thread.
Today I try it again to get some answers concerning this unknown fighting-knive´s.
@FJS
Did you mean the Italian Fighting-knife Model 1916, made of the blade of the Vetterli bayonet ?
Thx.,
R.
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05/30/2010 09:49 AM
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05/30/2010 09:50 AM
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05/30/2010 09:51 AM
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#16021
05/30/2010 01:52 PM
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A very interesting knife.
Getting two of them and not knowing would drive me crazy..
Where did you get the first knife? and the 2nd?
Is the leather on the scabbard exactly the same?
Strange that the one that is reshaped[?]/ sharpened[?] etc. looks longer than the other example.. So the 2 when first made have the same handle, same guard, same basic design but one has a longer blade...
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#16022
05/30/2010 06:36 PM
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The first one I´ve got from a collector´s-mate in Germany, the 2nd one from a mate in Scotland.
Both times, there was a swap.
BTW, both knifes are shown in the paperback "VISIER SPECIAL", (No.12), titled "Militär-Messer - Das Sonderheft zur Ausrüstung der Militär- und Spezialeinheiten"
ISBN 3-89715-211-8
ISSN 0948-0528
on page 30.
VISIER is a well known specialist periodical here in Austria and Germany.
You´re right, the dimensions of both knive´s are different.
None of the knive´s is (re-)-sharpened.
A collector´s-mate in Russia told me, this maybe could be a bayonet-conversion ?
Yes, it really drive´s me crazy, that nobody can help ...
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#16023
05/30/2010 06:42 PM
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05/30/2010 06:45 PM
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#16025
06/04/2010 08:08 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Gaspare:
... and the 2nd?
... looks longer than the other example.. So the 2 when first made have the same handle, same guard, same basic design but one has a longer blade...
Hi ! Here´re the dimensions of both knive´s: Overall length: …................................. 28,7 cm Blade lenght: ……………………………… 16,2 cm Lenght of the hilt, (incl. Crossguard): 12,5 cm Lenght of scabbard, (without loop): …16,6 cm Lenght of crossguard: …………………… 5,9 cm Crossguard breadth, (width): …………. 21 mm Thickness of crossguard: …………………3,4 mm Width of the hilt: …………………………. 25 mm Blade thickness: …………………………… 4 mm Blade width: ………………………………… 2,6 cm Overall lenght: ........................................... 29,3 cm Blade length: ............................................. 16,8 cm Lenght of the hilt, (incl. crossguard): .......... 12,5 cm Lenght of scabbard, /without loop): ............. 18 cm Lenght of crossguard, (made of brass !): …… 5,86 cm Thickness of crossguard: .............................. 4,7 mm Crossguard breadth, (width): ....................... 21 mm Width of the hilt: ......................................... 3 cm Blade thickness: .......................................... 3,8 mm Blade width: ................................................ 2,4 cm
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