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Hello Eric,
I have never seen any other HJ with rounded tip scabbard, but the later Eickhorns.
The period documentation that illustrates this are the original catalogs.
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Here is an Eickhorn pure RZM piece, 1942 dated, the only Eickhorn variation I know of that bears no squirrel... Most of the 1942 knifes bear the "over the shoulder" squirrel.
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Another 1942 with the squirrel.
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I have a 1940 transitional, no motto and a 1942 with the over the shoulder trademark. I am also waiting on an early one oval Eickhorn with the craps shooting squirrel. Neither of mine compare in condition to the ones displayed here. But, I like them just fine. John
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Ah, Herman was holding out on us! What a nice 42! I'm looking to upgrade mine, hint, hint. John
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Here is an Eickhorn variation that you do not see very often:
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The motto is very deeply etched!
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The earliest.
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Nice collection of Eickhorns shown here! Herman, is that maker mark etched - the one with Original on the blade?
Regards Russell
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Hello Russell,
Yes, I believe that is an etched MM, need to check the knife.
This one is an early Eickhorn variety:
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Herman
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Herman, is the double oval you are showing etched as well? I have only seen that maker mark stamped on HJs, and I have never seen the etched original 35-41 mark. Since the later 1942s are stamped, why would some early versions be etched? Makes me worry about a post war embellishment, especially since the 35-41 etched with motto you are showing appears to have been buffed quite a bit.
Just thinking out loud, John
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Hi John, Like to see that some people are paying attention here The double oval is of course stamped. As you noticed very well, the 35-41 marked knife has a cleaned blade, actually the mark has been cleaned off partly (see additional picture)and is only completely visible under the correct angle. I believe that Eickhorn used this etched mark on its last motto-ed knifes, because they had to etch the blade anyway with the motto. This also could explain why the knife has such a deeply etched motto, unlike most Eickhorns in my experience. After 1938, the motto disapeared and the marks were stamped again. This is just a theory, but I have no reasons to think that this knife is not period made. Best greetings, Herman
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I agree Herman, the knife itself looks period, but there have been examples of re-etches, like SA mottos ground off and replaced with SS mottos. Most HJ's with mottos have stamped maker marks. Why? I surmise the motto was too big to stamp. So why not just etch the Makers Marks at the same time as the Blut und Ehre etch? I would guess because a stamped makers mark is more durable, and more precise than an etched one? On the other hand, the etched Rohm inscriptions on SA/SS blades were hard to remove based on some of the grinding I've seen!
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You are right, John, that most HJ's have stamped marks, but there are also several etched ones and even some that are marked with some kind of "gummy" stamp...
Returning to the topic, here is an other Eickhorn variation: double oval, but no "Ges. Geschutzt" mark.
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Well, we usually don't get to see the inside of our HJ's, but there is a grip on eban which shows the inside of an HJ grip...very interesting! Why would the mark the inside of their grip plates?
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Interesting, John!
What appears strange to me: the makers marck is the early one, but the checkering of the grip plate is not...
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Yes Herman, and it's reversed as well. Anyone have any Eickhorn HJ parts? Maybe we can start a new thread with HJ inside marking info. I have a Klaas with broken grips and there is a maker mark inside on the metal, but not a cranes logo...
I bet Russ has plenty of parts to show us markings...
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That is an excellent idea, John!
Start the thread, who knows what will show up...
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Wow Herman, I thought one of your double oval Eickhorns had an etched trademark, and I have just received an HJ to buy on approval with an etched double oval trademark. Tell me what you think of it. The grips, blade thickness and shape, weight all seem to be correct, as is the scabbard with single runner. What is weird to me, it the depth and quality of the etching does not seem to match the early quality we have come to expect.
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Comparison of maker marks, stamped on the left, etched on the right
John Merling [email protected]MAX Life member OVMS Life member(Ohio Valley Military Society SOS) OGCA Life member(Ohio Gun Collectors Assoc) NRA Life member
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motto of the etched maker mark example
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Why would they etch one maker mark, and stamp others of the same era? Massive production order, so the made some etched? any specualtion. I think the HJ is real, it came from a trusted dealer who got it in a vet family buy.
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Hello John,
That looks like a very fine conditioned early Eickhorn HJ... and as you stated: an interesting variation!
I experienced that several early no-ricasso knifes (including Eickhorns) had very undeep etchings, so that is nothing to worry about.
I would not hesistate to buy this knife if the price is ok.
Nice 1942 knife, ww2-collector!
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Herman
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Thanks Herman! Both these have all the crossgraining, which I can't seem to get to show in photos. Time for a new camera, hehehe
WW2-collector, wow, nice 1942 version....I'm still looking for one with a near mint blade.
My Best to Everyone, John
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John Thanks mine is near mint I would gladly trade for a Pack HJ.
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Hello John,
I just checked my early Eickhorn HJ's and found out that one has the etched double oval makersmark, just like your example.
Best greetings,
Herman
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