Translate German to English - Click here to open Altavista's Babel Fish Translator Click here to learn about all those symbols by people's names.

leftlogo.jpg (20709 bytes)

Upgrade to Premium Membership

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#159017 01/28/2006 07:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 530
Z
OP Offline
Z
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 530
I have posted this on other forums and thought I would post here just in case you did not see it before.

It is a very rare SA hanger. I have also included pictures of it with a dagger, so that you can see what it looks like on a dagger.

Hanger.jpg (22.14 KB, 390 downloads)

Looking for EKI spanges, first model intermediate and second model L/12.
#159018 01/28/2006 07:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 530
Z
OP Offline
Z
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 530
Back

back.jpg (27.51 KB, 384 downloads)

Looking for EKI spanges, first model intermediate and second model L/12.
#159019 01/28/2006 07:54 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 530
Z
OP Offline
Z
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 530
with dagger

Front_mounted.jpg (14.98 KB, 374 downloads)

Looking for EKI spanges, first model intermediate and second model L/12.
#159020 01/28/2006 04:43 PM
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,126
Likes: 22
Offline
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,126
Likes: 22
Nice piece, I think I've seen one of these in one of Johnson's later volumes. Are there any stamps on the leather?


GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310
#159021 01/28/2006 05:55 PM
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 7,229
Likes: 1
Offline
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 7,229
Likes: 1
Thanks for posting this. I have seen a few of these over the years. Usually stamped D.R.G.M. in a couple of places they are designed to allow the dagger to be carried in a vertical manner or in the normal angled way. IMO they are unofficial private purchase items and are quite scarce.


MAX & OVMS Life Member, MAX Bd. of Experts. GDC Platinum Dealer. Collector since 1955.
#159022 01/28/2006 10:41 PM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Offline
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Small correction here. Actually, that design is NOT the one that allows the wearer to switch from vertical to normal suspension. That strap that circles the upper scabbard fitting is slit and fitted over the carrying ring.

Houston is right it being quite scarce, and the SS version is quite scarce too. Billy is right about having seen one in TJ's book.

Here is mine.

DSC00002.JPG (65.38 KB, 343 downloads)
#159023 01/28/2006 10:44 PM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Offline
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
You can see that getting that strap off and switched is not easy.

DSC00003.JPG (69.79 KB, 340 downloads)
#159024 01/28/2006 11:07 PM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Offline
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Here is what I think Houston had in mind when he mentioned the rare hanger that converts. It looks about the same, but the strap has a snap and goes around the dagger when worn as a vertical rig.

Dave

1.JPG (64.07 KB, 326 downloads)
#159025 01/28/2006 11:10 PM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Offline
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Rear. Slight difference in rivets and the one on the right has a fading white finish. On the right one DRGM is stamped in blue ink but is hard to see.

Both clips are stamped DRGM

1a.JPG (68.79 KB, 320 downloads)
#159026 01/28/2006 11:11 PM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Offline
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Here they are off the daggers

2.JPG (37.75 KB, 324 downloads)
#159027 01/28/2006 11:13 PM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Offline
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Note that below the clips, there are also rings so the dagger could be hung from a clip as well as a D ring.

3.JPG (52.03 KB, 318 downloads)
#159028 01/28/2006 11:15 PM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Offline
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Here is what they look like deployed so the dagger hangs at an angle. The strap is taken off the dagger grip; the fitting is rotated about 45 degrees; then the strap is snapped through the carrying ring. Clever !

6.JPG (67.85 KB, 312 downloads)
#159029 01/28/2006 11:40 PM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Offline
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
And, Billy is more right than I realized. That dagger is on pg 141 of Tom Johnson's Volume VIII and it the same dagger as pictured above. It belonged to Jay Gillespie at the time and I got it a few years ago through Gailen David

One of my Jacobs daggers is on the top of page 144. I had to work a bit to get that from Tom. Big Grin

Dave

#159030 01/28/2006 11:52 PM
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 7,229
Likes: 1
Offline
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 7,229
Likes: 1
I agree-those are a bit different- another small correction though- Big Grin-on the two position one the leather snap strap is supposed to go through the thin ring below the snap as well as the dagger ring-when in the "angle" carry position- giving added support and holding the strap in the correct position. The thin ring is IMO-not for another clip. Dave-in your photo you don't have them on right-the snap strap needs to go through the thin ring too-not just the scabbard ring. IMO Big Grin


MAX & OVMS Life Member, MAX Bd. of Experts. GDC Platinum Dealer. Collector since 1955.
#159031 01/29/2006 09:28 PM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Offline
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Here it is rigged thte way Houston suggests.

Dave

DSC00002.JPG (47.11 KB, 262 downloads)
#159032 05/10/2006 04:05 AM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,054
Offline
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,054
These are cool hangers. I've only found 3 to buy in 25 years. This one came with what *may* be the original belt loop. It's got a flat spot the same width as the clip. Just speculation of course!

SA_positional_hanger_fr.jpg (72.08 KB, 164 downloads)

John Merling vintagetime@yahoo.com
MAX Life member
OVMS Life member(Ohio Valley Military Society SOS)
OGCA Life member(Ohio Gun Collectors Assoc)
NRA Life member
#159033 05/10/2006 04:06 AM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,054
Offline
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,054
back

SA_positional_hanger_bk.jpg (72.36 KB, 161 downloads)
#159034 05/10/2006 04:09 AM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,054
Offline
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,054
Clip

SA_positional_hanger_cl.jpg (66.78 KB, 159 downloads)
#159035 05/10/2006 11:59 AM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
Offline
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084
Likes: 96
That is interesting. Most people might question a hanger with a horizontal part in the middle of the ring.

Is the diameter of the ring smaller than on a normal belt loop ? The reason I ask is that the clip on these is not very deep and would work better on a thinner ring.

Dave

#159036 05/10/2006 01:09 PM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,054
Offline
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,054
Yes, it appears to be a smaller gauge metal. The loop does fit a Sam Brown SA style belt though. I thought it just looked right when I got this together as a group. I didn't really make the thinner ring connection until you mentioned it. Thanks!


John Merling vintagetime@yahoo.com
MAX Life member
OVMS Life member(Ohio Valley Military Society SOS)
OGCA Life member(Ohio Gun Collectors Assoc)
NRA Life member

Link Copied to Clipboard
Popular Topics(Views)
2,261,608 SS Bayonets
1,760,333 Teno Insignia Set
1,128,792 westwall rings
Latest New Threads
Luftwaffe Swords
by Tanker - 03/27/2024 07:29 PM
Paul Weyersberg Heer
by Tanker - 03/27/2024 07:13 PM
HJ Fahrtenmesser,
by OWN - 03/27/2024 07:05 PM
Wir fahren gegen Engelland - Battle of Britain
by Stephen - 03/27/2024 10:06 AM
Hiddensee brooch
by benten - 03/24/2024 04:13 PM
Latest New Posts
Personalized reproduction honor ring source?
by Simone - 03/29/2024 07:02 AM
F Dula with a twist
by C. Wetzel-20609 - 03/28/2024 09:29 PM
HJ Fahrtenmesser,
by OWN - 03/28/2024 06:18 PM
Wir fahren gegen Engelland - Battle of Britain
by Gaspare - 03/28/2024 12:34 AM
Paul Weyersberg Heer
by Tanker - 03/27/2024 11:30 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics31,652
Posts328,710
Members7,501
Most Online5,900
Dec 19th, 2019
Who's Online Now
10 members (Documentalist, Ilya, Ringo69, AntonGrabbe, atis, Sasha, Simone, BretVanSant, The_Collector, benten), 605 guests, and 137 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5