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#158945 02/09/2006 12:00 PM
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Oooooh... I like that!

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What a beauty ! Eek

#158947 02/09/2006 12:47 PM
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it sure looks schweeeet!! Big Grin

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Boy, tht is a nice one. I have a Boker just like it. One of my favorites!

That is a very nice dagger...very nice!

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#158949 02/09/2006 03:17 PM
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I like that a lot, certainly a dagger I'd be pleased to own !! I assume the photo is of the original owner ? How did you come by the piece, was it purchased from the family ?

Nice piece

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The dagger comes from family estate and owner is of the photo
Regards an thanks for your congratulations!
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very nice i would love one like that


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Awesome!
Nice photo too SmileCongrats!
(I have a herder without all those horrid scratches on it if you like to swap Big Grin)


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#158953 02/10/2006 12:45 AM
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Wonderful dagger! Personally, I would rather have that dagger than a pristine full Rohm.

#158954 02/10/2006 01:55 AM
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Awesome dagger, just out of interest are the SS knots like on this dagger available to buy and what sort of money are you looking at ?

#158955 02/10/2006 01:58 AM
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I think SS knots in SS daggers are just standard army dagger knots, but maybe I am wrong. Also beautiful dagger man!

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That is a very beautiful piece, and also great to have a photo of the owner - have you been able to get any information on him from the family?

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I are still to examine!

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Wikinger, Did you receive my email ? JR

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Yeah... and mine?

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Sorry,
I have bad messages,
The dagger is a nice Fake!!
Probably the Logo was after-etched and the dedication is not corect also. Thanks to the Forum of members JR and Red Baron.
Thanks and regards from germany.
Wikinger

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What is it that is fake, the inscription or the whole piece? Mixed parts dagger? what?

Has the "family estate" been an elaborate scam on wikinger? This sounds bad Confused


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ConfusedI for the life of me CAN'T see whats wrong with this dagger, help us out here. The only thing that I think is incorrect is the knot. I was under the impression only 36 pattern SS daggers were sometimes worn with the portapee, not 33 pattern daggers, but who knows that knot looks pretty salty.

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Apparently the inscription is not correct and neither is the distribution mark, (the stamping itself).

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Oh... and I forgot... the grip may not be a Herder, it could possibly be a Boker and also the crossguard markings aren't usually associated with this maker.

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Roll EyesThanks Scott Can see some valid inconsistancies with this piece now but would like to see the whole dedication posted on the forum for all to see.

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Maybe Wikinger will post them for us?

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I also would like to see a detailed explaination of the 'defects' in this dagger.

The II on the crossguard does look a little more widely spaced between each leg than what I'm used to seeing.

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This dagger appears to be a beauty, but there are 3 things that concern me, Wikinger asked me for my opinion, so here it is...

1. The Herder TM has been etched from artwork that uses contemporary typography. The letter forms are mechanical font, whereas period artwork was typically hand-drawn for the making of the etch templates. The ovals are proportional, and again period "ovals" were usually elongated, again hand-drawn. The point is missing after the "ABR" and the general; proportion of the TM differs from all period Herder TMs I have seen.

2. The Rohm inscription again differs from the typical longhand construction. Noted are the decender loops and character proportions. This in itself may not be conclusive as there are differences, frequently in letter "weight" due to the acid etch, but the form combined with the TM raises a red flag for me.

3. The district marking differs, the die is sharp and wide spaced, and I have noted this same characteristic on other dubious SS pieces. Again, not conclusive in itself... but period stamps tend to be duller and consistently narrower.

It's a tricky one as the rest looks good, perhaps a parts piece with a repro or re-etched blade. The tang looks good, so anyones guess...

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#158969 02/19/2006 09:48 AM
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Rohm Inscription. Follow the entire inscription with a pen as if you were writing it, you will note some reverse or pause points which I have not seen on period inscriptions.

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Stamping comparison

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If you are looking for the source of these - they appear to be coming out of Russia
http://www.fleamarket.gr/lot.cfm?lotID=3295126

I have seen 3 or 4 over the last 3 months on Miliataria321, Egun and Hood..
Definately Caveat Emptor.


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I have seen this dagger with the same photo two or three weeks ago in an auction . The seller was in the czech-republik !

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Hi Neighbour.it was on the militariaweb,about 2 weeks ago,I remember the photo of the guy on the motorbike, more than the dagger.! Regards Stan

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Yes my friend stan , you are right .

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quote:
Originally posted by sturmbrigade:
If you are looking for the source of these - they appear to be coming out of Russia
http://www.fleamarket.gr/lot.cfm?lotID=3295126

I have seen 3 or 4 over the last 3 months on Miliataria321, Egun and Hood..
Definately Caveat Emptor.


Is that Russian or Greek? Either way I've got no hope of reading that site.

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