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#15510 10/08/2009 12:40 AM
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Blade reverse short

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#15511 10/08/2009 12:41 AM
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Hilt obverse short

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#15512 10/08/2009 12:41 AM
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Hilt reverse short bayo

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#15513 10/08/2009 01:32 AM
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Here is my short F.Plucker Jr. Magnetic grip.

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#15516 10/08/2009 01:34 AM
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#15517 10/08/2009 06:05 PM
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Here's my only fire bayonet, a fairly early Pack.

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Baz:

Van you post more pictures of the etch? I have just gone through a couple of fire etches that turned out to be not quite right. The only Pack fire etch I have seen so far was a slightly worn copy that was shown to me at last year's SOS.

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#15521 10/09/2009 12:59 AM
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Billy - I appreciate the kind words about the sawback and others I sold you back in the day. Those were cheap, but I too did not pay much and pulled them out of the woodwork for the most part. It is great to see my babies live on in your collection. That was about 7-8 years ago, you bought them if I remember right.

The collection is spectacular. Thanks for sharing, Jeff


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#15522 10/09/2009 01:58 PM
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John

Not sure there is much more I can show you, this is the complete etch, there is another one exactly the same in this thread.

http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...600031894#1600031894

It's a lovely bayonet and 100% correct in my opinion.

Gary

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Billy,
I haven't been on the GDC site for a few weeks and look what I have been missing! Thanks for restarting this thread....


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#15524 10/09/2009 03:23 PM
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Gary:

I was not questioning its authenticity at all. I am interested in seeing the bookends of this etch.

This is one that is missing from my collection of etches and I want to study as many real ones as I can so that I do not get burned again.

John


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#15525 10/09/2009 03:59 PM
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John

Here's the ends of the etch.

Gary

#15526 10/10/2009 01:53 AM
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Gary:

Thank you. I am of the understanding that Pack Fire etches are truly rare. This is a beauty.

John


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#15527 10/10/2009 04:39 AM
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John,

Thanks for showing those beautiful squirrel sawbacks, I think you've got more than me! While I think all sawbacks are tough to find in nice condition, that short '35-'41 sawback is a tough configuration to find. Yours is a beaut.

Gary,

What a pretty etch! I had nearly forgotten about that Pack you picked up. Were I to only have 1, yours would do nicely indeed. I think the condition is exceeded only by it's rarity & that makes it a special piece by any means. If you're looking to move it someday, I'd probably hock my silvered baby shoes for it! Just dandy!

Jan,

You've found one of my weak spots, the products of L&E. I was getting around to listing a few of them but you beat me to the punch. I think if you want just 1 fire piece & are a logo freak like me, the L&E logo is something you can't go wrong with. To my knowledge it's the only logo that incorporated a swaz which makes it something unusual.

The fire helm is a nice touch as well. This mark was also unusual in that distributors almost exclusively used stamps with the names sometimes including the location of the shop. That's it. The stylized logo thing was almost always used by actual manufacturers. I think the only other distributor that had a stylized logo/name was one of the marks of Gustav Genschow (Geco) where they incorporated a stylized "G".

Andrei,

A very nice looking fire bayonet & a rare mark to boot. What is that thing in the center, an ice block holder? Quite an unusual item Smile I've got a short one with magnetic pommel & wide blood groove too. Yours is the only other one I've seen so they must be unusual to find. Mine is an early piece, I suspect yours is as well. Very well made & a joy to examine.

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#15528 10/10/2009 04:52 AM
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Back to the age old manufacturers of Solingen. Certainly Robert Klaas is one that can't be ignored. Their mark is well known on 3R blades for sure & Klaas marks adorn many a dress bayonet.

Klaas marks on fire bayonets are relatively scarce but they do pop up from time to time. Of the 3 Klaas marks I've observed on fire bayonets, this one is the most common, the name & location surrounding the iconic kissing cranes. It's also the last one that I managed to find for my collection but that's how it goes sometimes. This one is a nicely conditioned long model with a nice surprise.

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#15529 10/10/2009 04:59 AM
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The surprise was the scarcely seen distributor mark of E. Höner, Weinheim. At the time I bought this piece a number of years ago, I had never heard of this distributor. Since that time I've seen a couple but they were ratty in appearance. Often times it's not just finding that rare piece but finding one in the condition we all like to collect.

Isn't this is one of the toughest decisions sometimes? A rare piece in less than optimal condition. I'll be honest, I usually jump for one as there have been occasions where I've seen 1 beater & never another.

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#15530 10/10/2009 05:05 AM
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This early Klaas mark is a tough one to locate, probably the toughest to find on a bayonet. Just the kissing cranes with nothing else. Maybe someone new to the game would be confused for a moment but those cranes can only mean 1 thing.

This one is a nice early short model with a narrow blood groove & magnetic pommel. It's a little unusual in that the maker mark is on the obverse whereas I seem to notice Klaas usually marked their items on the reverse.

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#15531 10/10/2009 05:09 AM
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Not only was the maker mark a bit of a rarity on this piece, the distributor mark was as well. The mark of Georg Reider, München is sometimes seen on Tigerwerk marked bayonets but obviously Reider had a contract with Klaas too.

This one is a bit of a rarity as well because the Reider mark is uncommon as well. I know Jim MacLean has one like this, I think it's a sawback too. Don't know if I've seen any others with this configuration which only makes it sweeter. To me anyway Smile

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#15532 10/10/2009 05:14 AM
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This is my 3rd & final Klaas marked fire bayonet, not too common but they're out there. This is the mark some people say was made by "Robi Klaas" Smile

It was my 1st short model, probably the 3rd or 4th bayonet I purchased. Don't some early purchases hold a special place in your heart? They do with me, well anyway it came from Jeff Slaker. I remember Jeff got a bunch of these pieces in & offered them to me. Jeff's stuff was always good as were his prices, money well spent IMO. Sadly no distributor on this one.

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#15533 10/10/2009 09:34 AM
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Nice bayonets Billy and all who have posted! Here's a humble minty long EuF Horster that I have.







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#15534 10/10/2009 12:57 PM
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Jan,

Thanks for posting your Hörster example. I don't think there's anything humble about such a bayonet, especially when it's in that type of condition. I believe this is the later of 2 Hörster logos used on Feuerwehr bayonets during the 3R.

Yours is unusual in that when the logo was applied, the center initials & sword weren't stamped into the blade steel. It does look like a very tiny bit of the bottom is there which is wild. Usually when we see incomplete strikes, the part that's missing is one of the sides or a corner. Very nice to see.

Here's my example with the same mark, on a short model with nonmagnetic pommel.

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#15535 10/10/2009 01:02 PM
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I did want an example with the sword & initials inside the double oval. This example had a nice obverse stamping that made it a keeper for sure, the unusual distributor mark of K. Negele Tübingen. In 10 years of looking I've seen this particular mark a scant 3 times.

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#15536 10/10/2009 01:08 PM
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While we're on the topic, I thought I'd post the other Hörster mark I've seen on fire bayonets. I believe this logo with a larger set of initials & the sword without double oval to be earlier than the one posted above, based on the materials of the 2 bayonets as well as seeing this mark on a few Weimar Polizei bayonets.

This bayonet is also a short model but with a solid magnetic pommel & nice heavy feel. Sadly there's no distributor mark on this one but hey, you can't have it all Smile

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#15537 10/10/2009 01:28 PM
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There actually is another Hörster mark which is rarely seen. I've seen it on 1 (maybe 2?) fire bayonets & 1 or 2 Fallschirmjäger gravity knives. Needless to say it's a rare mark to find on anything. I believe Fisher's guide lists Hörstator as a trade name for Hörster. When I first saw it I didn't know what to make of it. The quality of the mark made me think it might even have been a fake which is absolutely was not.

I culled this picture from Eban many moons ago, the mark was on a long model sawback that sold for a lot of money. Something to shoot for in the future I think. I'd love to see shots of this mark on a fire bayonet if anyone has one.

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#15538 10/10/2009 04:05 PM
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This one was one of the first few FW'S I picked up i found it at an antique shop. its a Carl Schmidt

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It's a short with magnetic pommel. note the not to often seen frog. It's brown with pointed bottom. Bavarian?

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#15540 10/10/2009 04:39 PM
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Hey Steve,

Thanks for posting your Schmidt. The pommel sheen on it just looks like an early piece which always makes it more desirable, to me anyway. Not sure about the frog being Bayern but it's a nice looking unit for sure. I've found some really nice, albeit inappropriate, frogs on fire bayonets. I'm ashamed to say I've occasionally bought a bayonet simply for the frog in the event it was something unique & special. One such example was a attic heat crazed black patent leather piece with a 2nd model aluminum Feuerwehr cap device pinned to the obverse. It also had a beater Heer knot to complete the rig. Maybe it was done by the vet, no way to know for sure but it was kinda unique & looked like something interesting to have.

Carl Schmidt & Sohn, AG, Solingen is an interesting company. According to Fisher's guide, they were established in 1829 & still in operation as of 2002. My edition (5th) lists them as having made SA, HJ & RAD officer's pieces but no mention of bayonets Smile

Here's my Schimdt, also an early production short model, note the difference in size of the church & lettering in yours & mine. Yours also has a wide blood groove, always nice on a short model. Mine has either a narrow groove or the in between wide & narrow size, I don't remember at the moment. I've had several of these over the years in a slow stream of upgrading, I think this one is the best one I've seen thus far.

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My only 2 sawbacks a short holler and long Eick and it was de-Eickhoned. funny never seen the squirrel holding a swaz.

Billy I remember the hörstator on Ebay some years back. i think it sold somewhere in the 500-$600 i think ?

steve.

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#15542 10/10/2009 05:08 PM
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Billy:

The Fisher guide is a work in progress, I believe.

There should be some way that we could pass info onto Fisher so that he can incorporate new information into his next version.

John


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Hey Steve,

Great sawbacks! I agree with you, that squirrel didn't look like he was holding an acorn with swaz, WTF? Nice inventory marking on the crossguard too.

John,

Yes you're quite right. I learned this & like any good reference it's not written in stone. I spoke with the published about 4 or 5 years ago & provided them with dozens of new tidbits & pics of the logos for their use. I've sent them additional stuff in later years as time allows & was told the info would appear in later editions but I haven't picked up a later one to see. I don't necessarily think my 5th edition is outdated exactly but I'm sure the most recent edition (7th?) has plenty of more info.

If you have any new logo or model info, I think you can still get them at Bkswisewonderful@aol.com


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Hey Billy,
you gonna smile ,but F.Plucker Jr. trade mark is....Rug Beater. Big Grin (according Richard H.Bezdek "German sword and sword makers).


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Hi Andrei,

You're right, I did laugh. I figured that item to be an ice block tongs for sure Smile

Here's another fire bayonet with a logo that takes a moment to think about what it is, it's the mark of J. Dirlam & Söhne, Stahlwarenfabrik, Solingen-Mangenberg. Established in 1856 & still in operation in 2002. A rare mark on SAs & pretty scarce on a bayonet. I believe the logo is a button through a button hole but who knows? This one is a nicely conditioned short model with magnetic pommel.

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Here is another fire bayonet with an unusual logo that at times can defy a seller's attempt to describe it. It's the mark of Johann Leupold, Beyreuth. Leupold made SA daggers with at least 3 different logos & trade names, Leuco, Johann Leupold & Johnnswerk.

This particular mark is a variation that shows a stylized "L" with a sword with no name or location. This piece came from Bill Shea many moons ago, listed as an unknown maker. This is a long model with nonmagnetic pommel.

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Here's another variation on the Leupold logo, same stylized "L" with the company's name & location. This one is a short model with nonmagnetic pommel. Recently this one left my stable & was sold to a collector in Argentina. Small world Smile

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Billy,

Those Leupold pieces show a great TM, love it. From the design perspective, it's an amazing TM.

Here's an overview of all my fire pieces along with the fire axe to go with it:



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Here is my short bladed Klass w/Rieder dist. Your are right about this TM, not seen to often.

Not my best job of pictures, hope to improve my picture taking this year.





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