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A short saw back by TIGER

Barry,

Beautiful looking Tiger sawback, really a great specimen. Does it have a solid, magnetic hilt? If not, the plating looks near perfect.

I've noticed over the years that the plating on Tiger products generally held up poorer than other makers. This is consistent with their hilt shape, this is the type used by Holler. My suspicion is Holler (like Eick & other big makers) made these hilts not only for themselves but for many other manufacturers as well.

Billy; I have checked and the hilt assembly of this sawback TIGER is non-magnetic.

Regards

Great bunch of fireman pieces shown enjoyed them! timothy

I woould like to add my newly arrived long sawback bayonet (by Eickhorn, of course) to this thread.

GDC member Stingray pointed this out to me on fleabay, but the seller wouldn't accept any bids on this from me..seems like he would only sell to continental USA. WTF? So, Stingray came to my rescue and bid on it for me.

It is not in the best shape, but it has the small double oval squirrel TM that I was looking for.

It now makes 4 sawbacks by Eick in my collection, short and long double oval, short and long 35-41 seated squirrel. Now, I only (??) need the single ovals and the over shoulder squirrels.

John

John

I seen that one but thought you had EVERYTHING already. Helps to have friends in the old USA.

John,

A really excellent lineup of sawbacks & marks, thank you for sharing them. I am always impressed with the quality of the early Eickhorn fire bayonets, they hold up so well over time & exude quality when you hold them in hand. I think you still need a pair of single oval sawbacks to complete the set

My first sawback was a double oval short model that I won on Eban like 15 years ago. It had a period modified frog which was very unusual & interesting, I think it's pictured in the early pages of this thread. I still have that bayonet.

Early Eickhorn fire bayonets are far more common than most people know, notice the elongated crossguard present on all 4 of your examples. This feature is prevalent on a lot of early production fire bayonets that bear the maker marks of smaller, cottage industry type firms. The way I figure it, Eickhorn was one of the largest producers of bayonet hilts & likely sold parts to many of these small & often obscure manufacturers.

Ivan's a good man, I'm glad the purchase worked out for you. I would also be happy to help anytime you need someone stateside.

Billy & Terry:

Thanks you for your comments.

I may sound like a have-it-all, but I really don't. As B pointed out, I need to get my hands on the long and short single ovals in sawback. Plus a number of other things missing from the wall in the Great White North.

One of the great things about going to shows and participating in forums, such as this one, is that one gets to meet so many great people and build great relationships. People like you are always ready to help out. I have a number of collector friends in the EU, the UK, Norway, Canada and the USofA who are extremely knowledgeable and very willing to help, to share and to give advice.

You know who you are... thank you all.

John

In the case of the oval Eickhorn TM Fireman's Sawbacks, the long one is actually much harder to find than the short one from my experience.

My Geco marked fire police.

I recently purchased two Linnenbruger Ellermann Fireman bayonets to resell at the SOS. One was the small size logo and the other was the large logo. When I received them I noticed the large oval was on the reverse of the blade while my original was on the obverse of the blade. The logo on the reverse had a frosted background in the L, the plus sign, E, and the line below. and the orientation was different. Well I guess I only have one to sell now.

Neat variation, Terry.

John

Terry,

That's a great variant on the 15mm L&E logo, don't know if I've ever observed it before. Now I've got to check my 15mm to see if mine is frosted or not

I dug my 15mm logo out, it's the same as yours in that it's also dual marked to Eick with the '35-'41 mark. I'm disappointed, no frosting

It's been a while since I've posted anything new, mostly because I've been busy. A few really nice & obscure items have come my way which I hope to be posting as time allows.

This one is en route to me now. I saw it years ago & didn't jump, can't say why but it must be serindipity because it's on it's way to me now. A nice early Anton Wingen logo, one I've never seen before. The best part is it's a sawback.

Great catch, Billy!

John

Great bayo Billy, never seen a Wingen Sawback before.

Gary

Thanks Gary. This was the 1st sawback by Wingen that I've seen & the 1st with this logo. I do know Bill Shea has a long sawback for sale but with the more often seen knight logo.

Billy nice rare TM.

I did have that in my list but had never come across one. I did pick up the one that runs parallel with the blade at the SOS.

I also picked up a E. Pack w/Garantie Solingen on the reverse side of the blade.

Hi Terry,

Wingen fire bayonets are not common at all, the sawback is only my second. The other I have is identical to your knight logo above with the full name, also situated parallel to the blade as you mention.

It's hard but sometimes you remember acquisition stories, my first Wingen came from Jeff Slaker (Colorado on GD). Jeff had bought it directly from a vet who took it from a store that sold such items, it's pretty mint with just a little storage wear. Oh to have been present at such a time.

I have been quite lax in my adding of new logos & items but hope to rememdy that. This is an unusual logo & the first time I've seen it on a fire bayonet. Prior to this, I'd only seen the Puma logo in the early version (cat head & name) & the later version (cat head with diamond).

This example is a short model with swedge blade in minty condition & logo on the reverse ricasso. Its hilt is magnetic & solid, nicely heavy in the hand. This is nice because Puma fire bayonets often have nonmagnetic hilts that don't hold their plating well. I would guess it's early production, prior to the introduction of the cat head logo although I'm just guessing. Definitely a keeper.

Nice, B.

John

Here is mine on a early Heer bayonet,I hadn't seen one on a Fireman's before. Great pickup

hello, my little collection:

Hi Alex,

Sorry I missed your post to this thread, very nice lineup. Adding a sawback always adds interest to the group, it looks like an Eickhorn, right?

Can you show us the logos?

Billy here is my PUMA sawback fire enjoy Paul

Paul,

Sawbacks are always of interest to collectors & seem to have retained much of their value in this soft market.

Puma is a tough one to find as well, looks somewhat early. Is the pommel magnetic?

Great pickup, thanks for sharing it with us!

Billy it's non magnetic is that good or bad thanks Paul

A seldom seen "Geco" Distributor mark .

Paul,

That's a beautiful Puma sawback, it's very hard to find a Puma with that blade. No, it's not a problem to have one with a nonmagnetic pommel. In fact, I've only observed one Puma with a magnetic pommel. That one was super early production with the Puma Werke mark, pictured earlier in this thread.

This is my only sawback ,I'm in the process of putting it right(well as far as I can go realistically) nice to see the tang numbers on a saw , can't say you see that every day ..

Why are my posts coming up blank?

Is there some sort of limit on the length of responses? All my responses come up completely empty & only shorter ones can be posted, once edited.

BillyG , I was looking forward to your opinions

Kober.

Rich,

Kobers are fairly uncommon, very nice piece. I'm curious if the pommel is unit marked by "BSW"? I've owned 4 or 5 of these & while most I've observed are unit marked, not all were.

No other markings on it besides the maker mark.

Hi,
I am in the process of buying this Fire bayonet short pattern sawback with no maker mark and a frog and knot which are separate to the bayonet but think they will go together nicely. All looks good to me but would really appreciate some opinions from the guys on this forum. The frog and knot look particularly nice condition as does the bayonet just a shame it has no maker mark I have tried to compare it to others to see if there any features that stand out for a particular maker and the only thing I came up with was possibly Eickhorn due to the profile of the saw tooth pattern but maybe it's just not possible to tell who made it. Still they're are both going for a very fair price and I thought I would snap the frog and knot up quick because I think it's probably quite difficult to find them in this condition.
These are the only photos I have and they are from the sellers website WW2 German Daggers.
Many thanks in advance, Andy.