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Late last year, I acquired this long Pack Pioniere bayo:

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Reverse

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Trade mark

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Grip. Some Pack pioniere style bayos had standard rivets and grip plates, this one has the Pack offset spanner bolts.

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The other side of the grip

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The thing that I need your help with is this set of stamped numbers on the scabbard lug:

I S 2068

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Nice bayonet John! Love these pioniers! I also have a Pack Pionier very simmilar to yours. However, I have never seen a scabbard like that before. Any info on it?

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John

Take a picture of the throat of the scabbard and post. Is there a screw holding the scabbard throat to the scabbard body.


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Here are pictures of the throat and scabbard screws.

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There are screws at the front and the back of the scabbard.

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Another view.

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I don't want to force the frog off the scabbard.

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John,

A beautiful looking piece. I haven't seen too many Pack Pionier pieces with the spanner nuts, very nice to see one in such condition. Most of those I've seen have had centered rivets which goes Wayne T's theory that most of Pack's Feuerwehr & Pionier models might have been purchased from another manufacturer. Scabbard looks like a vet replacement & I suspect the frog as well but they don't diminish the beauty of this bayonet to me.


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Hi guys,

The scabbard looks like it's from a Belgian 1889 Civil Guard bayonet.

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I think Len is correct. Pick up the right scabbard for your bayonet.

Its unusual to have the spanner nuts on the obverse side of the hilt, may have been put together wrong at one time.


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Here is my E. Pack, notice I have the permanent rivets.



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I have an etched Pack Pioniere style with the standard, not offset, rivets.

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Trade mark

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Again

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Front part of etch

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The grip

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Reverse grip

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Nice piece John. Don't see to many etched Pioneer bayonets


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Terry;

It's the only one that I have.

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John,

Another great piece, nice Pack etch named to a machine gun unit & a rare hilt pattern. What more could one want?


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Gentlemen.
I have several variants of etched bayonets in
near mint condition.My question is..would it be
acceptable to repaint the scabbards to reflect the condition of the blades..just doesnt display well,especially with minty portepees
attached.
Opinions,please
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Never repaint a scabbard!!!!!!!!!!!
leave the damage on the scabbard that is original the paint you spray on ìs`nt

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quote:
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Gentlemen.
I have several variants of etched bayonets in
near mint condition.My question is..would it be
acceptable to repaint the scabbards to reflect the condition of the blades..just doesnt display well,especially with minty portepees
attached.
Opinions,please
Joe


Hey! As janjan said, it would be a sin to do so. Leave them as they are and you will be better off. There is no point repainting a scabbard. It should display age and in fact, most people prefer seeing some usage to them. ALL IN ALL, DO NOT REPAINT A SCABBARD Smile

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If a beater scabbard bothers you, pick up a spare in nice condition that matches the blade for display purposes. I do agree with those that say don't repaint a scabbard.


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Problem solved, don't display the scabbards. Smile



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Hi Guys,

Great Etched Pionier bayonet John. It is interesting that Pack had an order for both Single-etched citation to MG Unit 9 Heiligenbeil and the Double-Etched MG Unit 9 Heiligenbeil as featured on page 160 of my book, which is also a Pionier. Having both types in my book would have been nice.

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Wayne,

Problem solved, do a volume 2! I'm sure you've come across numerous blades that didn't make it in your first volume since publishing it. I'm sure a lot of guys here (& elsewhere) would buy it even if many of the pieces were the repeats from your initial book.



Terry,

Great storage & display rack. It would be a shame not to show such beautifully etched blades. With my luck, I'd mess up the scabbards Smile


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Gentlemen
thanks for your input,
will post my bayonets soon.
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Here's my SHORT Pack Pioneer w/ stag grips:

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Ron:

That is a beauty. How often does one see a Pioniere type bayo with two rare features, the stag grips and the short length?

Up until recently, I was under the impression that only long versions of the Pioniere were produced.

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John,

Agree completely, a great piece. I think those are the reasons Ron kept this one Smile


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