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As a hunter; Just a couple of comments on the deer jaws display:
I am assuming that these are progressive showing jaw details from 1 year to 8. The way a deer is aged is to measure the amount of tooth wear and this is routinely done when checking a kill into a station here. Even from these pictures it's apparent that a dramatic change occurs in deer teeth by the eight year. If a deer doesn't expire for some other reason they'll eventually starve to death as there teeth wear past the point of usefullness and they can no longer eat.
A buck past the age of 5 or 6 is a prime trophy but no longer a prime contributor to the herd as their ability to mate also has diminished. The is the reason that younger bucks are passed up at least by hunters who know and understand this.
Jim

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Pages and pages of printed documents that came with this Hirschfanger that are to many to print.

Ralph,

This post just keeps getting better and better.
What an incredible find, has to be the most well-documented Hirschf�nger I've ever seen. Most of Herr Keidel's forestry-career entirely laid out in black and white.

The books and documents are quite rare and unique, too ... just fantastic!

Mikee-Jim,

Thanks for your additional insights, you guys know your stuff.

Best to all !

Bill

Hubertus,

I am glad I checked this forum today. You certainly have a wonderful Hirschf�nger and the G�ring connection makes this more exciting to me.

Thank you for sharing!

Thank you Jim, Bill and Carinhall for your posts.


ETCHED, EMBOSSED AND ENGRAVED DAGGERS AND OTHER COLLECTABLE ITEMS ARE ALWAYS DESIRABLE TO COLLECTORS.
They enhance the value if certified with providence and add an advantaged presence when displaced with other similar pieces.

You cannot help but guess how a beautiful gold and blue black etch can with stand the time between wars and countries to suddenly come alive for sale? What brings these treasures to the collectors to live again is wonderment in itself. Where was it all these years to stay in such fine condition? The scabbard has a slight time roughness to it and the fittings are saying polish me up so I can show off all of my might but I almost hate to clean anything up any more. You know that there was a gathering and men who where showing their abilities as shooters and there where moments of pride. Then there was a formal presentation of this type of blade. How can you just wipe 75 years away with a cleaning cloth? (I am beginning to sound like Bill Warda)

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Hubertus:
While I don't collect this type of weapon(space limitations among others) the craftmanship that has been put into their creation never ceases to amaze me.
I also wonder with political correctness setting in everywhere and casting a pall over our lives if hunting is still a viable sport in Germany today.
Jim

Jim, I think I can assure you that the hunting is still a major part of the German culture today. My son has traveled to the Black Forest in the past few years with each of my three grandsons to stay with an old hunt master Josef Muller. He has a very nice lodge. Although they were not able to hunt Mr. Muller did take them on tour of the property and had quite a large collection of horns etc. He did make the statement to my son that today it is not anything like it was years ago. My reward for their trip was a bottle of snaps from Mr. Muller. He makes his own brand, the label reads �DEUTSCHES ERZEUGNIS Pictures with a lodge and crests 45 %vol 0,351 SCHWARZWALDER OBSTWASSERLI Landhaus Erdrichshof Josef Muller Oppenau-Locherberg. I am saving part of the bottle to share with Bill Warda should he ever find his way to Florida. Maybe he will tell us what the label says.
Sincerely,
Ralph

Ralph,

That sounds like it would be a great idea to have a drink with you from that bottle ..

Black Forest Fruit-Water, nice!

I'll bet it'll make your socks roll up and down a couple of times! I just might have to take you up on your kind offer ..

Kind thanks!

Bill

Ralph,
Incredible find to say the least and with so much more to learn! I really can�t wait to see what you post next! Although there is a fair amount of protest from organizations that are anti-gun and anti-hunting, I certainly agree with you that hunters in Germany are very much respected as well of course is the much respected Forest Meister. Believe me, Forest Meister�s are incredibly knowledgeable and proficient in every aspect of the forest and have varying high educational degrees in their fields of expertise. Mentioning Forest Meister brings back memories. I remember as a youngster, our dog a young German Sheppard named �Fritz� wondered off the estate for the first time and onto a neighboring preserve. I can still hear the echo of the weapon going off. Very soon after, we were told that the old Forest Meister shot her dead. It took me awhile before I fully understood. I know, Fritz is not a female name but that�s another story.

Anyway, I wanted to post this antler chart and as you can hopefully see, show that one cannot field judge the �accurate� age of a deer �exclusively� on the size of antlers and certainly not by the number of points a deer has. Deer growth and antler size has more to do with genetics and nutrition than anything else. The antlers shown are from the same stag and with much luck when you find antlers in the field, armed with little knowledge it�s possible to match antlers shed by the same deer and although I catch myself calling these Deer horns on occasion, remember these are antlers and not horns, a big difference.

Bill, thanks, far from expert but I�m always learning like every other hunter.

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Mickee:
I certainly agree with you analysis re. genetics and nutrition but note the antler decline after the 7th year. I believe this is primarily due to old age.
Jim

Mikee, Thank you for the great posts with the antler displays. The whole layouts are a labor of love for the big game hunter.
Attached is a photo of my Hubertus Elk that is in our hunting lodge. Quite a difference in the shape of the American stag and the German.
Sincerely,
HUBERTUS