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BTTT, any other packets, medals or maker marks?
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If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.
Updated list:
3 = Wilhelm Deumer, L�denscheid
4 = Steinhauer & L�ck, L�denscheid
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin
8 = Ferdinand Hoffst�tter Bonn a. Rhein
10 = Foerster & Barth, Pforzheim
13 = Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
18 = Karl Wurster, Markneukirchen
20 = C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim
65 = Klein & Quenzer, Idar/Oberstein
73 = Franz M�nert Gablonz
76 = Ernst L. M�ller, Pforzheim
93 = Richard Simm & S�hne, Gablonz
100 = Rudolf W�chtler & Lange, Mittwaida
107 = Carl Wild, Hamburg
110 = Otto Zappe, Gablonz
117 = Hugo Lang, Wiesenthal
127 = Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim
L/15 = Otto Schickle Pforzheim
Un-marked medal with smaller than usual hanging ring
Others:
1 = Deschler & Sohn, M�nchen, marked packet, un-marked medal
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin, marked packet, un-marked medal
20 = C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim, marked packet
66 = Friedrich Keller, Oberstein, marked packet, no medal
98 = Rudolf Souval, Wien, marked packet, un-marked medal
138 = Julius Maurer, Oberstein/Nabe, marked packet with no medal description, un-marked medal
To be confirmed with pics:
14 or 74 marked medal
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BTTT. If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.
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What do you guy's think about this one, at first I thought it was a copy but now I'm not so sure, it's not marked, and see the small hole or impression on the side, it appears to be bent a little out of round where the hole is. Any and all comments welcome.
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Is it made of zinc? I know they have been reproduced but I do not have a repro example to compare. Have seen some misshapen examples of which this is not one.
The hole could be where dirt or some foreign object was caught in the die. Glue from a scrap book?
Does it compare size wise to other examples?
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Is it made of zinc? Yes
Glue from a scrap book? No idea.
Does it compare size wise to other examples? It appears to be the same size and weight as the other one I have. Not that it means any thing but it's ribbon doesn't glow under a blacklight.
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Jamie,, yers ago 'Pieces of History' out of AZ. made an excelltn repro..
Problems were,,slightly lighter, and slightly flater otherwise a really good copy and wish my buddy kept it for reference! There is currently another good fake being offered with a issue bag. I'll try and find the site with the photos and post..
IF, yours is good size wise and weight, and the details are there its probably a good one..
I think this medal as well as GABs,silver wound badges, and War Service medals are to the point now that no one can tell the difference anymore between a good one and fake!
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Here's the front of 2 unmarked examples
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Back of the 2 unmarked examples.
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Dean, two nice examples. Thanks for sharing.  ----------------------------------------- Update on my Meybauer packeted medal. It is marked on the inside curve of the ring with a 7 laying on it's side. Will attempt to get a scan but it's a difficult spot. I've had it for 30 some years and just yesterday stumbled across the mark. --dj--Joe
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My contribution. Unmarked but with a fair bit of frosting left
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Laurence, that is a fine example. --dj--Joe
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I like these straight from the vet mint unissued.
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Those are sweet
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They are nice. Spencer V., are they ring marked 108? I finally got a read on the maker of my second example with the spot of rust. 10 for, Foerster & Barth. Revised my original image.  --dj--Joe
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Hey Joe
They are diffently Arno Wall Pach. I have noticed that this company made alot of Russian front medals.
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Nice medals gents. Spencer, can you show a pic of the maker number on the ring(s)?
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Here's a recent addition. Maker is Fritz Zimmermann, Stuttgart.
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Maker's mark, #6. . This is the only maker's mark that I've seen with a period after the number. Did any other maker do this?
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Keeps us from guessing if it's a 6 or a 9 that way. --dj--Joe
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I'd guess it's a 6 with a period as Raymond suggests. Perhaps when we see another one without a dot, it will be a 9. May have been done to distinguish between the two makers? Has anyone seen it on any other type of medal as well?
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I'm usually lucky if I can make out the numbers let alone see a period. Anyone got an example of an EKII by Fritz Zimmermann? That might tell. ------------------------------------------------------ Check page #77 in THE IRON CROSS of 1939 by: Gordon Williamson. The example by Friedrich Keller apears to have a period. (66.) --dj--Joe
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Joe, it does look like a period on the Friedrich Keller. I don't have an example to check with but maybe I'll find one this weekend.
On both the EKII ans EKI there is a period after the 6. I wonder what Liefergsmeinschaft Scmuckhandwerker (#9) used? Gordon doesn't list this maker in his book on EK's but I think I saw it listed as a maker of EKII's on WAF.
Here's the MM #6 on an EKII.
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I've discovered no images of 9's.
It's good to know about the 6. and 66. both having periods.
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Any updates? Any additions?
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3 = Wilhelm Deumer, L�denscheid
4 = Steinhauer & L�ck, L�denscheid
6. = Fritz Zimmermann, Stuttgart
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin
8 = Ferdinand Hoffst�tter Bonn a. Rhein
10 = Foerster & Barth, Pforzheim
13 = Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
18 = Karl Wurster, Markneukirchen
20 = C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim
65 = Klein & Quenzer, Idar/Oberstein
73 = Franz M�nert Gablonz
76 = Ernst L. M�ller, Pforzheim
93 = Richard Simm & S�hne, Gablonz
100 = Rudolf W�chtler & Lange, Mittwaida
107 = Carl Wild, Hamburg
110 = Otto Zappe, Gablonz
117 = Hugo Lang, Wiesenthal
127 = Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim
L/15 = Otto Schickle Pforzheim
Un-marked medal with smaller than usual hanging ring
Others:
1 = Deschler & Sohn, M�nchen, marked packet, un-marked medal
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin, marked packet, un-marked medal
20 = C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim, marked packet
66 = Friedrich Keller, Oberstein, marked packet, no medal
98 = Rudolf Souval, Wien, marked packet, un-marked medal
108 = Arno Wallpach Metallwarenfabrik, Salzburg, marked packet, un-marked medal
138 = Julius Maurer, Oberstein/Nabe, marked packet with no medal description, un-marked medal
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14 or 74 marked medal
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Russell, was thinking of this thread a few days ago. I finally got a read on the marks on my medals so the Paul Meybauer marked packet does have a 7 marked medal with it. Thanks for keeping the list updated and your continued interest and contributions. This thread has many excellent images and much valuable information. Keep up the good work all. --dj--Joe The 7 is towards the inside of the ring laying on it's side.
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Picked up 3 more. 1 marked 108, 1 marked 100 and 1 marked but unledgable.
Front of #108
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