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Hi Everyone. Just thought I would share the latest addition to the collection. It's an M43 cap patch. Trying to grow that Polizei collection one item at a time.

Opinions & comments welcomed.

Andrew

Here is one I have for comparison purposes:

Very different patterns. Even the weaving runs in the opposite direction.

And here is one identical to yours sewn down on a cap.

Obviously these come in different "patterns" from different manufacturers.

Regards,
Bill Unland

Bill

Thanks for sharing those two. Nice to see my unissued one compared to a worn one. Bumps up your faith a little more. I guess the variations in the bevo goes along with all the others.

I'll tell you, even after studying photos till my eyes bleed, I might as well be reading Latin backwards. And here all this time I thought I was a reasonably smart individual !!!

Maybe someone can produce a book "Police Eagles for Dummies"

Stay safe,
Andrew

Hey Bill

One question. Any idea how many M34 designs there was ? I have also see WSP versions as well. Was there a 1st design, 2nd, etc..

Andrew

Dear Andrew,

Well, I know of only two variations of the machine woven sleeve eagles which would suggest only two manufacturers of those, but cap insignia I have no clue. These were used in one form or the other from the vary beginning, so I imagine quite a few variations are to be expected.

I have never seen anyone try to categorize them according to age. As the designs never really changed THAT might be impossible.

Regards,
Bill U

Bill

Thanks for the information on the hat patches. I guess one of the hardest things is the fact that you have suppliers of a particular item (whether it is patches or other insignia) scattered throughout the country, and each has their own little quirks.

The awards guys have it slightly easier with the MM's. It's easier to check a metal item against "Known" production pieces.

Andrew

Hi Andrew,
It is my belief that this trapzoid insignia was introduced right along with the Einheitsmutze (or M43 as it is often referred to)
The regulations are not that specific however.

With a possible introductiondate well into 1943 there would not be mutch time as to speak of a first, second, third, etc pattern in these eagles.


As you say correctly the manufacturers were scattered throughout the country and I think differences in design and way of manufature will probably come down to that.

There is at least a third pattern, next to the two patterns shown above, and that is a Trapezoid insignia with a black swastika.

Then these trapezoid insignia also exist in embroidered form on wool backing.

Hello,

Here is a feuerwehr example in blue. Yet another pattern/manufacturer.

Regards,
Bill Unland

Here are three more patterns 2 on wool one on a light weight material.

Dear Hanswurst,

Never seen a pink cap eagle before. Very nice. You seem to have a whole flock of birds I need!

Regards,
W.Unland

Hi Hans,
May I enquire as to where you got these eagles?
I allways considered this pattern not good, mainly based on the attached picture of a supposed Generals eagle that was sold as reproduction.

Not trying to be negative but the repro I post seems to be quite familiar in construction details (allthough the picture is a bit fuzzy)
For example look at the dark arc in the wing close to the body. the repro-generals also has this feature.

Hi Ernst,

The 1st eagle I obtained from a vet in New York where I live. The other 2 came from a show about 10 to 15 years ago. I enclosed a photo of the back I am sorry but taking picture is not my speciality. I would like to see the back of the one one you posted.

The birds seem rather well made , they don't glow under a black light and they burn well. I never had a reason to doubt them. So let me know your opinion...

Hello,

I have never seen this one in person so I'm afraid I can't really offer a fair appraisal. I haven't seen it offered for sale, at least where I look, so if it is a reproduction it must be an old one. I will grant Ernst his observation though, that the thick line seperating the two rows of winglets is not typical.

As the eagle Ernst shows is being sold as a reproduction, if all of these are the same pattern that clearly raises some flags, but is Ernst's eagle a copy of a good one, I just don't know.



Regards,
W.Unland

Hey bill,

Well that is a fair comment, I the only thing I can say is in all the repo catalogs I have seen I never seen these offer. That is why I asked Ernst to see the back of the one he photo... I really never had doubts about them personally. On a side note how does he get the pic so big I have a heck of a time to shink pics down to fit the 75k mark the forum requires....
Joe

Dear Hanswurst,

If you lower the resolution, say to 90dpi or less you can get a larger photo in. I have a bit of trouble doing this as they come out not in good focus.

Regards,
Bill Unland

Joe,
I cannot find any picture from the back. Will keep searching.

Getting a pic below 75kb:
Most important setting when saving a picture as JPG is the quality setting. When you save using lower quality settings will reduce the number of Kilobytes in the picture. I normally use a qualitysetting of about 4 to 5 out of 12 (where 12 is maximum). this normally is enough for posting pictures on the web.

Thanks for all the additions to this thread. Always great to gather additional references of the items I am looking for.

I agree with you Bill. It's always possible that some is repro'ing them based off an original.

Andrew