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Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133790 05/20/2006 04:36 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany First of all I would like to than Mr. Andy (Militarynut)for answering my request in the "wanted" forum and offering this wonderful and from what I understand RARE grouping from his own long-time personal collection. It should arrive in a few weeks and when it does I will post more pics. Let me know what you think, I have never seen one of these knives before... DJ.jpg (37.22 KB, 334 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133791 05/20/2006 04:37 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany #2 dj2.jpg (50.74 KB, 332 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133792 05/20/2006 04:37 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany #3 DJ3.jpg (35.04 KB, 317 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133793 05/20/2006 04:37 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany #4 DJ4.jpg (43.29 KB, 314 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133794 05/20/2006 04:38 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany #5 DJ5.jpg (28.97 KB, 317 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133795 05/20/2006 04:38 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany #6 DJ6.jpg (31.35 KB, 312 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133796 05/20/2006 04:38 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany #7 DJ7.jpg (45.91 KB, 303 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133797 05/20/2006 04:39 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany #8 DJ8.jpg (66.96 KB, 299 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133798 05/20/2006 06:22 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,369 Washington State Bob Rodgers Bob Rodgers Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,369 Washington State I'm not sure about this item. It could be right , but it's not my area of collecting. So i hope others will post on it. http://www.Worlddaggers.com Founder GDC Gold 0024

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133799 05/21/2006 05:53 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 5,130 Likes: 24 USA Billy G. Billy G. Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 5,130 Likes: 24 USA I'm with Bob, I'm not sure although it appears to look correct. The Puma maker mark is correct for pre 1938 and the piece looks to have nice pre war quality. I've seen similar pieces but with a different hilt and blade. GDC Gold Badge #290 GDC Silver Badge #310

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133800 05/22/2006 12:55 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Thanks for the input so far. I have been told that this knife has been pictured in one of Johnson's references as well as in Angolia's dagger book. I however do not own either of these references. Can anyone do me a favor and look it up? Someone else here MUST have one of these... Anyone??? Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133801 05/22/2006 04:49 PM A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A This knife is 100% right in my opinion. I would have no problem buying it. The ones you watch out for have the metal scabbards and the Puma trademark like on an early HJ. I think I have told yall before but I got my example directly from a guy who was there at the rally. He told me these were momentos. I have a 34, 35 and a 37 I think are the dates. Russ

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133802 05/22/2006 05:00 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Thanks Russ! You actually answered another one of my questions which was; were these issued for more than one year? Any chance we could see a pic. of your pieces??? Thanks in advance! Johnny V Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133803 05/22/2006 09:43 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 5,130 Likes: 24 USA Billy G. Billy G. Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 5,130 Likes: 24 USA Johnny, I think you should feel a lot better that uss has chimed in about seeing identical pieces. I took the liberty of checking Angolia's "Edged Weaponry of the 3R" and your knife does not appear in it. Quite likely to be in one of Johnson's 8 volumes, I just don't remember which volume it's in but I'm fairly certain it's in there. Nice grouping. GDC Gold Badge #290 GDC Silver Badge #310

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133804 05/23/2006 01:22 AM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Billy G- thanks for looking in your angolia dagger book, is your book titled daggers, bayonets and fighting knives of hitlers germany by major john r. angolia, I am told that the knife is pictured on page number 276. Since I do not own the book could you do me a BIG favor an look again, please? Thanks in Advance! Johnny Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133805 05/23/2006 01:53 AM Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 72 South Jersey K Karlsruhe Karlsruhe K Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 72 South Jersey Hello John,I looked up the knife in my copy of Jack's book(Daggers,Bayonets,etc.) and it's right there on Page 276,dated 1935 and No. 6311 on the ricasso--I think you can relax a bit more.Good luck with it!Hugh.

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133806 05/23/2006 02:20 AM Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 72 South Jersey K Karlsruhe Karlsruhe K Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 72 South Jersey John, As noted above,the correct title of the book is --"Daggers,Bayonets and Fighting Knives of Hitler's Germany" and I seem to recall on of these knives on Tom Whittmann's site about 6 or 8 months ago.Again--a fine item with a cool History factor.Hugh.

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133807 05/23/2006 02:24 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,369 Washington State Bob Rodgers Bob Rodgers Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,369 Washington State Karlsrue Nice handle !! I went to elementry school there http://www.Worlddaggers.com Founder GDC Gold 0024

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133808 05/23/2006 02:41 AM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Thanks Hugh!!! Hope I did not mislead anyone as to the book I was refering to... Thanks to everyone for helping out and chimeing in. I appreciate the help! Johnny V. Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133809 05/23/2006 11:42 AM Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 4,426 USA Robert H. Robert H. Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 4,426 USA I lived 30 years close to the city Nurnberg, but I never found anywhere any Parteitag HJ knife. Not at one of all the fleamarkets I went or from any of my many Franconian hunting tours. Also no collector friend over there ever got or found one. I don't want to say they are faked, I just don't trust them much. www.RobertCollectibles.com

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133810 05/23/2006 12:34 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Hmmm. It is interesting how many different opinions there are on this piece. I e-mailed the same pics. to Whittmann and he said it's 100% good... Thank you Mr. Hassler for your input. It is interesting that in all those years you never saw one. Did you encounter the more common DJ version? Russ- are your other Puma partei day dated knives the same early puma logo as mine or are they different? Congrats on having 3!!! Thanks, Johnny Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133811 05/23/2006 03:18 PM A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A The 35 is identical. I haven't had it out in years. It came direcety from the original owner. The others I picked up over the years. All say Puma but do not have the cat. I don't have a problem with this style. Russ

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133812 05/23/2006 09:45 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 5,130 Likes: 24 USA Billy G. Billy G. Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 5,130 Likes: 24 USA Johnny, Sorry, I had a different Jack angolia book. Mine is titled "Edged Weaponry of the Third Reich". I probably should pick up the other one GDC Gold Badge #290 GDC Silver Badge #310

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133813 05/23/2006 09:52 PM Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,889 Likes: 2 Bronx , New York ... R Raymond Raymond R Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,889 Likes: 2 Bronx , New York ... Johnny,here's a photo of page 276-277.Very nice display.Have to add this to the want list now.Also Andy has always been very helpful,I've talked with him many times over the years. Mvc-025s.jpg (37.82 KB, 128 downloads)

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133814 05/23/2006 11:24 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Billy G.- Don't worry about it! I don't have either one!!!! Thanks for looking! Raymond- Thanks for the pic. REALLY appreciate it. I NEED this book now!!! And I agree, Andy has been great to work with! Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133815 05/24/2006 12:38 AM Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 4,426 USA Robert H. Robert H. Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 4,426 USA Is there any provinence from the Puma side out who could proof this knife is legit? Don't take me wrong I don't want to say anything bad about this knife, but books are not always the golden key that something is original. www.RobertCollectibles.com

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133816 05/24/2006 01:41 AM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Mr. Hassler, I appreciate your sober and critical opinion of this piece. If nothing else it makes me feel better about the flask that I bought at the last SOS that you liked: http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/473097...740053904#7740053904 Ramamber? Das war schon Sie kenned zu learnen. Thanks again, Johnny V. Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133817 05/24/2006 02:35 AM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Suprisingly similar post-war Puma: http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-PUMA-SOLINGEN-HUNTING-KNIFE...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133818 05/28/2006 03:47 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany I recieved the knife!!! It looks FANTASTIC! Here are some more pics. I wanted to thank Andy once more, the grouping is INCREDIBLE and in truly MINT condition!! k1.JPG (64.13 KB, 79 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133819 05/28/2006 03:49 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany #2 DSCN0921.JPG (53.92 KB, 74 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133820 05/28/2006 03:50 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Puma with more common DJ k3.jpg (57.04 KB, 97 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133821 05/28/2006 03:52 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany I was supriswed that the design is different. The Puma blade design is about 50%larger and MUCH more detailed, feathers are on the eagles chest, you can even see its eye and mouth. k4.jpg (55.06 KB, 95 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133822 05/28/2006 03:54 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany The depth of the etch (or stamp?) on the puma is also MUCH deeper than that of the DJ. This is the puma (below) k5.jpg (45.74 KB, 94 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133823 05/28/2006 03:55 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Eagle detail (Puma) k6.jpg (36.81 KB, 89 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133824 05/28/2006 03:56 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Detail of eagle (DJ Knife) Note the difference in detail! k7.jpg (46.28 KB, 90 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133825 05/28/2006 03:58 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Puma crest k8.jpg (48.26 KB, 86 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133826 05/28/2006 03:58 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany DJ crest k9.jpg (50.85 KB, 86 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133827 05/28/2006 04:00 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Johnny V. OP OP Johnny V. Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,316 Germany Entire 1935 grouping & Olympic, just for fun... k9.jpg (64.04 KB, 85 downloads) Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133828 06/10/2006 08:08 PM Joined: May 2001 Posts: 4,781 Likes: 30 England Baz69 Baz69 Joined: May 2001 Posts: 4,781 Likes: 30 England Nice Knife, I don't see anything wrong with it at all. Gary

Re: Puma Nurnberg Sport Knife & Grouping #133829 06/10/2006 11:56 PM Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 7,229 Likes: 1 U.S.A. Houston Coates Houston Coates Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 7,229 Likes: 1 U.S.A. It does not appear to be the same knife as in the book. The stag pattern appears to be different-and I see what may also be other differences. MAX & OVMS Life Member, MAX Bd. of Experts. GDC Platinum Dealer. Collector since 1955.