Translate German to English - Click here to open Altavista's Babel Fish Translator Click here to learn about all those symbols by people's names.

leftlogo.jpg (20709 bytes)

Upgrade to Premium Membership

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,030
OP Offline
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,030
This dagger was on Ebay but the auction was ended. Some of you may have been following it. It has the very early pointy winged eagle and is a full Rohm Eickhorn. It also has all kinds of condition problems. Looks like someone took a hammer to the scabbard shell... I've never seen one so dented. I'm not sure that the dagger can even be inserted. The scabbard fittings look surprisingly good. The blade has surface rust and corrosion, and the very tip is broken off. It has the early motto with the "A" in Alles. Given the rarity of this dagger what do you think the value is considering the condition?

000_1505.jpg (84.84 KB, 1486 downloads)
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,030
OP Offline
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,030
.

000_1507.jpg (90.4 KB, 1464 downloads)
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,030
OP Offline
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,030
What about this trademark? Doesn't look like the normal Eickhorn.

000_1511.jpg (85.02 KB, 1351 downloads)
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,538
Likes: 21
Offline
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,538
Likes: 21
Someone spoke about this dagger in an earlier topic. It is a unique piece, because it is the only full Röhm SA "Christmas dagger" that was ever seen by a member (dealer?) but not bought because of the bad condition and broken tip, the member (dealer?) later regretted not to have bought it...

I have a similar Christmas SA ground Röhm with this early "C.E." Carl Eickhorn trademark.

Very interesting post, thanks!

Best greetings,

Herman


"Het leven is een strijdtoneel!"
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 147
Offline
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 147
What is the sellers current asking price?


GDC gold #0081
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,030
OP Offline
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,030
The seller is taking bids. I would bid a fair price if I could get an idea of its value.

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 61
W
Offline
W
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 61
Excuse my ignorance as a newbie, but what is a Christmas SA ?

Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,030
OP Offline
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,030
Do a search of the forum archives. There a number of threads on Christmas daggers. They are early prototype SA's.

Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
quote:
Originally posted by Skyline Drive:
The seller is taking bids. I would bid a fair price if I could get an idea of its value.


Skyline... I don't think there is an answer to this question other than the obvious... whatever you're willing to pay...

You have good knowledge... you know what feels comfortable and what doesn't.

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,538
Likes: 21
Offline
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,538
Likes: 21
The value: I would say that its rarety makes this piece (full Röhm) priceless, of course there is the condition that makes it less attractive as a collectable dagger.
There is also the historical value: let's not forget that the "Christmas" SA dagger is the mother of all 3R daggers: the first that the Nazis ever let made in extremely small quantities of course... maybe the rarest dagger of all?
It belongs in a museum in my opinion!

Best greetings,

Herman


"Het leven is een strijdtoneel!"
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,538
Likes: 21
Offline
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,538
Likes: 21
Oh yess, in case anyone would wonder: I have nothing to do with the sale of this dagger.

Actually, I would like to know the E-Bay objectnumber, so I can see who is selling it.

Best greetings,

Herman


"Het leven is een strijdtoneel!"
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,426
Offline
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,426
I know of one other one over in Germany Wink I am waiting since years to get this one anyday but the day will come.

Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 2,999
Likes: 1
Offline
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 2,999
Likes: 1
Mike very interesting.
Thanks for sharing!

Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 14,572
Likes: 30
Online Content
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 14,572
Likes: 30
Very interesting.

A small correction - There two full Rohm prototypes known in the US. An EP&S daggers known in Colorado that was shown at 2006 MAX and one with a broken tip but in good condition from the Julian Millestone (sp?) collection. There is also a full Rohm Eickhorn shown in a French Reference book about 25 years old and it is not beat up.

The one pictured above could well be the real thing. I hope that better pictures will surface. If anyone gets some, I would appreciate copies and I will NOT post or share them.

Value ? As much as the owner can get Big Grin, but seriously, there is no precedent. A lot more needs to be known about condition.

Dave

PS - although I do not think this is case, beware as the early "A" SA/NSKK daggers are being faked as we discuss this. All of the better fakes are from Europe.

Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
The following photos are provided by the Seller...

1.jpg (36.79 KB, 1054 downloads)
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
2

2.jpg (61.91 KB, 1029 downloads)
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
3

3.jpg (64.57 KB, 990 downloads)
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
4

4.jpg (52.47 KB, 931 downloads)
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
5

5.jpg (58.26 KB, 925 downloads)
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
6

6.jpg (47.86 KB, 898 downloads)
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
7

7.jpg (46.36 KB, 872 downloads)
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
8

8.jpg (54.33 KB, 863 downloads)
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
9

9.jpg (46.77 KB, 866 downloads)
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
10

10.jpg (49.71 KB, 847 downloads)
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
11

11.jpg (59.17 KB, 832 downloads)
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
12

12.jpg (50.77 KB, 799 downloads)
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
13

13.jpg (43.53 KB, 796 downloads)
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
14

14.jpg (43.7 KB, 780 downloads)
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,538
Likes: 21
Offline
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,538
Likes: 21
Thanks for these pics, SDP.

And thanks for your corrections, Dave, you are the expert one these daggers.

Looks like a full copper scabbard (mine is copper plated), that is why it is so misformed: copper ones are much more vulnerable than steel based ones.

The grip of this dagger appears to be in great condition, with a well centered eagle (often not the case on these daggers).

Best greetings,

Herman


"Het leven is een strijdtoneel!"
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 14,572
Likes: 30
Online Content
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 14,572
Likes: 30
Scott,

Looks like the real thing to me. If it ends up in the US, I would like to examine it.

Do we know who is selling it as,obviously, I am interested in owning it myself.

Dave

Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,426
Offline
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,426
this is really something ! WoW !

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,538
Likes: 21
Offline
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,538
Likes: 21
Any news on this sale?

Could someone E-mail me the EBay item number at hw@despontin.com. I would appreciate a lot! Thanks in advance.

The full Röhm pictured in the French reference book shows the early Eickhorn "C.E." logo but it is not sure that it has the eagle with pointed wings in its grip, because this is not shown at the published picture, the blade is used for an example of a SA full Röhm. No scabbard is shown eather.

Best greetings,

Herman


"Het leven is een strijdtoneel!"
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,030
OP Offline
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,030
It was pulled from Ebay and is now in private auction with bidding up to $1500.

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 147
Offline
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 147
Put me in for $1550.00 Thank you....a***y (157)
original bidder


GDC gold #0081
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 992
N
Offline
N
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 992
do you have the contact information for the seller?

Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,030
OP Offline
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,030
Gentlemen... I have been inundated with requests to provide contact information for the seller. I have not responded. I would have been a moron to invite the competition. Does anyone here NOT get that concept?

That being said, I am no longer interested in obtaining the dagger. The seller wants at least $3000 for it. As rare as it is, it is not worth it to me considering the condition. I emailed the seller about providing his contact information to others. Here is his answer:

Thank you for your response, but I think we have enough interest at the moment with some gentlemen who have been with us since the beginning. If something changes, though, I'll let you know. Thanks again, Mike.

Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
S
sdp Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,803
Nice one Skyline...

Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 992
N
Offline
N
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 992
sorry skyline but it was you that informed use that it was up for private auction did you then expect people not to ask for details???

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 199
E
Offline
E
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 199
Dopes this one fall into the Chraistmas catagory - A factory ground Aesculap - Beautiful piece either way

1.JPG (46.84 KB, 754 downloads)
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 199
E
Offline
E
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 199
picture 2

2.JPG (49.13 KB, 753 downloads)
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3

Link Copied to Clipboard
Popular Topics(Views)
2,217,399 SS Bayonets
1,716,340 Teno Insignia Set
1,080,697 westwall rings
Latest New Threads
Avoid sshonorring.com!
by ABTmRw - 06/26/2022 12:17 AM
Real german Heer sword ???
by Cotoroanta - 06/20/2022 07:13 PM
Real german Heer sword ???
by Cotoroanta - 06/20/2022 05:51 PM
VERY RARE DOUBLE-ETCH
by Von Ryan - 06/19/2022 06:48 PM
Dakring 1942 without Swastica
by benten - 06/19/2022 06:46 PM
Latest New Posts
Avoid sshonorring.com!
by ABTmRw - 06/26/2022 08:15 PM
Dakring 1942 without Swastica
by benten - 06/25/2022 10:02 AM
Real german Heer sword ???
by ORPO - 06/24/2022 03:00 PM
Imperial artillery lion head... with doll's eyes
by Herman V. (aka Herr Mann) - 06/23/2022 09:17 PM
Luft visors and things!
by pvon - 06/23/2022 06:44 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics31,186
Posts323,150
Members7,172
Most Online5,900
Dec 19th, 2019
Who's Online Now
2 members (pesho, ABTmRw), 49 guests, and 92 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5