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Hi Gents !
Help please!
This sword original SS the officer?
I think have altered from a police sword.
Can be?
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Yea, that's a tough one to gauge from the photos. However, clearly the grip button indent has been messed with. I can't be certain, but i'd guess you're right. Police officer degen converted to SS officer degen for the $$$
PS- Is there a MM on the blade? This will help straighten it out. For example, if the blade is an ACS, we know it wouldn't be SS.
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Can you also take a photo of the grip botton. Reverse and obverse sides. Grip botton have the wire retention pegs or is it just a flat back button?
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Hi!
Blade has no MM.
Button of the handle - 100 % a copy, and it is known.
Knot - too a copy, and it too is known.
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Then you know what you have. A police officer degen with someones fake SS grip disc enhancement.
That's it.
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Your hanger clip has fake markings on it as well so it has been messed with too I am afraid.
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What condition is the blade in? Can you photo it? I'd also like to see the back of the grip botton. I've seen a few grip button repros, and would like to see this one.
I had an SS degen reproduction that was built I belive in the 1960s. There were a few interesting tell tale giveways. The grip botton did not have prongs for attaching in through the grip. Had a celluloid grip, and a dimple in the end of the crossguard teardrop. The dimple hole was very pronounced.
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The hilt on this sword is SS NOT Police. Police hilts are not made like this. No doubt about it. The grip has been messed with-to replace an emblem or???????
If you think this is a police sword--back to the books
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Sdravtsvojte  , I agree with Houston on this. This is a SS officers degen style grip and hilt. Pitomnik, Maybe the runes-disk has been taken out after the war with force, in order to "de-nazify" the sword. I believe the laws in CCCP was strict on swastika's and SS-emblems?? Just my 0,02$ worth.. Regards,
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quote: Originally posted by Houston Coates:
The hilt on this sword is SS NOT Police. Police hilts are not made like this. No doubt about it. The grip has been messed with-to replace an emblem or???????
If you think this is a police sword--back to the books
The SS Button outside,i mean the rest of this sword is authentic.A good sign is the hole in the tang. Comments !
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Id still like to see a photo of the grip buttons back side. My curiosities have been peaked.
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Sword -Fish how many variations do you expect from the revers of an SS officer grip emblem?
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Either the grip button has grip attachement pegs, is flat like a pancake, or crudely cast with terrible cast bits one the flatside. I infer from the poster that there are some post war pats. If th grip button is one, I'd like to see it. I have seen a variety for reproduction grip buttons and would both a photographic reference for future purposes.
As a direct answer to your question up to 3.
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I have seen a view original ones with only one long stonger center pin, kind of a nail.
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Legitimate replacement grip buttons can be purchased on some dealers sites.
In terms of the repros, I have see 3. I had one at one time but didn't photo prior getting rid of it. This one in particular had a flat reverse and was somewhat crudely cast. I wish I had as a reference of carious grip buttons could be of educational value.
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Sword Fish--Really? and who has these original replacements ? The correct piece for the early sword--like this one--is as Robert says-one long prong that goes clear through the tang and is bent over under the grip metal back strap. These swords were never meant to be taken apart. In addition a rivet ( shown above ) was placed on the tang over the spanner to prevent the spanner from being tampered with.
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According to his site TJ had some last time I looked for one.
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I would buy all original SS sword buttons I could find, I am very sad that I sold the only one I ever found. My search is not to upgrate any sword it is that I just love the Fuhrerdegen in all details.
Houston, but not all Degen got the secure spanner cap (Zuendpille).
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My gratitude all for the help!
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I agree with Robert that not all SS Officer degens are the non-take down type and not all of the runic buttons have the single prong-- those are the early type.
Let's see the ball portion of the knot--just to see if it is not original as stated.
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Great photos. Thanks for posting them.
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Someone sure put some nasty tool marks on that sword. Makes me a bit mad just to look at it.
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Can you please show us the back of the button.
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