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Posted 06 March 2004 16:51
My newly aquired Feuerwehr/Feuerschutzpolizei bayonet and belt rig which appears to have been together for years. The belt has a blackened catch that matches the blackened buckle. This Faschinenmesser was manufactured by J. Dirlam & Söhne, and is a seldom seen maker. Their unusual logo is a collar button containing a J.D. and an S. The long bladed Faschinenmesser was worn by Firemen up to the rank of Meister.

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Posted 29 April 2004 16:55
ORPO,
Your greatcoat is great (especially carmine collar bottom!!!)
But why are FW shoulderboards on FSP greatcoat???
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Posted 29 April 2004 23:52
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Thanks for the kind words on the greatcoat. I don't know why this coat has the FW style boards instead of the FSP style boards, unless it was made prior to the new insignia regulations or he simply continued to wear the old style (aArt) insignia. Unfortunately, there is no date on the tag.

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Posted 16 May 2004 17:31
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Posted 17 May 2004 13:32
Dave,

What is the name on your FSP sleeve eagle. Any chance of a closeup of the eagle?

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Posted 17 May 2004 23:45
George:

The insignia is named: Hervest-Dorsten. What’s really sweet about the insignia is that the original owner cut away the green field areas (between name and eagle, under the wings-inside the wreath, closely cut around above the letters) and neatly applied it…a fantastic detailed job. I’ll try a picture but I’m having a bugger of a time photographing the carmine color!

I don’t think I’ll be tired of this immaculate tunic any time soon!
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Posted 16 September 2004 12:25
Here is a new one I got today from Gerard. It is very unusual, the material is velvety to the touch with no shoulderboards having ever been fitted. The interior has no lining except for some sackcloth in the sleaves and the same material to make up the pockets. Collar patches seem to be padded and machine applied.

The arm eagle is not a type that I have encountered before, So I do not know if it is a repro or not, the deefinition of the eagle is great but the thing that throws me is the town name, seems to be too neat and in the wrong position.


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Posted 16 September 2004 12:28
Collar with two sets of hook and eyes, silver dished unmarked buttons.


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Posted 16 September 2004 12:30
Eagle


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Posted 16 September 2004 12:52
Hi Gary,

From the mid to latter part of the war Police and Fire Police Eagles were often made without the town name (a simplification of the manufacturing process). When the eagles were supplied to the town the town named could be embroidered along the top by a local tailor.

We have to rememeber that the from about 1943 onward the Fire Police was reorganized and "nationalized" so that they could more efficiently deal with the wide spread destruction caused by aerial bombing. It was normal part of operations to have Fire-Police units deployed from smaller towns & cities to areas that had been heavily bombed.

For instance after the anglo-American Fire bombing of Dresden in Febraury 1945 Fire-Police units were dispatched from Berlin, Leipzig and even far away Hamburg to help put ot the fires and initiate rescue operations. Most of the Dresden Fire Police had been killed during the second wave of bombing and there was no one left alive to fight the fires.

The Fire-Bombing raids on Dresden were brilliantly executed in that they targed the most densly populated residential areas and were timed in such as way to cause maximum casualties to Fire-Police and rescue personnel engaging in rescue operations.

The Fire-Police issued a heavy denim type tunic meant for Fire / operationsal use. I've seen these tunics in a heavy brown / beige colored cordoroy material as well as a dark blue denim.

I like your tunic wouldn't worry about the sleeve eagle. This looks like one of those mid-late war style eagles where the town name was embroidered locally at a later date.

Diane

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Posted 17 September 2004 14:55
Gary,

Nice tunic. I agree with Diane about the locally embroidered town names. I see nothing wrong with the insignia.

George

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Posted 30 September 2004 18:39
Great tunic, Gary!
I did't know that such a material was used for FFW uniforms!
The eagle seems to be OK and I'm pretty sure it is original...the lettering is a little unusual as You said...
After Loehken's book (p. 149-151) "Feuerwehrmann unter 6 Monate" wore no shoulderboards.
Collar patches are in form used before 28.7.36.
(schwarzes Sammt mit karmesinroten Vorstoessen).
Piping was deleted 28.7.36 too.
IMHO this blouse is from "Uebergangszeit" (1936).

Besse is in Bundesstaat Hessen (here is the link):
http://www.schwalm-eder-kreis.city-map.de/city/db/10240..._-_Besse.html?str=-1

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Here is another hat that I can contribute to this thread. A lovely summer peaked cap with black centre band and crimson piping

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Very nice side view, the top looks as though it has been pushed back a little to give it a more jounty look

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Inside maker with unusual colour for the maker mark which normally black

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Hi,
Which uniforms wears foreign vol's in Feuerschutzpolizei? Its foto any fotos exist?

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I think foreign volunteers in the fire fighting service would probably wear the old blue uniform or coveralls like other volunteers. There are photos from various countries and these are the uniforms they seem to be wearing. For instance, I have seen photos of Czech fire fighters in the Protectorate wearing the blue uniforms.


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I just finished reading ALL 680 pages of Littlejohn's "Defending the Reich."

Fascinating book! Pages 470 - 603 are devoted to Police & Fire Services, with specific sections on the Feuerschutzpolizei and Feuerwehr and Freiwillige Feuerwehr and even the Girls (Feuerwehrhelferinnen) & Pflichtfeuerweheren.

MUCH More also!!! Lots of great Patches, TR Period Photos, Uniforms, Buckles & Helmets.

Well worth the purchase for the Newbie or the 'Old' Guys, IMO. Txs, Dave/dblmed

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BILL .....BRAVO! You've done it again! CONGRATS!

The ensemble is spectacular, can't see a moth nip anywhere.

LOVE the really long Black extended cuffs and the special piping which is seen all around the uniform.

That Officer's cap eagle is a pretty neat one - I haven't seen one with that much degree of depth and detail before (done in Aluminum).

What year time frame would this ensemble represent?

Thanks for sharing and educating! ...Dave/dblmed


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Bill,

Very nice to say the least..... I see someone been finding some nice caps lately.........

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Bill, great pictures and sharp looking display! I have to say this carmine piping on green wool is my 2nd favorite after the orange of the Gend.


On another note, below is a link to tread on fire police helmets that I recently started:
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My new Tunic of the Feuerlöschpolizei. The EK on the medal bar was him for the rescue of a buried soldier awarded. I was born in the same City and i am very proud of this tunic. I get them from a old lady where live since 80 years in this city.

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The Schirmmütze

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Another Schirmmütze (Knautschmütze) very rare

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The helmet was at his funeral in 1944 as his coffin, and then handed over to the widow. Slightly oiled it looks like new.


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Captain,

A wonderful identified outfit! The mounted FW medal bar is very nice as these are seldom seen. Thanks for showing it.


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Captain,

A beautiful grouping, many thanks for showing it to us. Orpo is right as usual, we don't see many FW medal bars at all. Do you know if he was killed in the line of duty fighting a fire or something else?

Is it unusal the FW mann would receive an EK II for saving a soldier as opposed to the life saving award?


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The owner came on 29 July 1944 when air strikes killed in Stuttgart. He was there with the firefighters in action and a burning roof has slain him.

His name was Richard Ambacher.


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Is it unusal the FW mann would receive an EK II for saving a soldier as opposed to the life saving award?


Not in this case. For the most valiant use under bomb exposure were a total of 5 firefighters from Kirchheim u. T. with the EKII excellent. Actually wanted the firefighters had their start providing room and were surprised by the bomb attack. Suddenly, they were probably the midst of it all. It was in the year 1943.

"That tell me the old lady and i read that also in the chronicle of the fire brigade from Kirchheim.

Kirchheim is a city 15 - 20 miles from stuttgart away.


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Captain,

Many thanks for the additional information & clarification on the medals. I'd definitely say his death could be classified as "line of duty", certainly in service of the Reich. Terrific grouping indeed.


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The uniforms will be next year as a loan in the fire department museum in Kirchheim be seen. There, I will issue uniforms as a loan. I think that they are very good and there is such a piece of history to the present citizens can give.

The URL of the Museumspage: http://www.feuerwehroldtimer-vfh-kirchheim.de/


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That's a very nice thing to do for a museum, well done. Do you know if Herr Ambacher had a bayonet, sword or axe?


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He had a bayonet in the long version! I have a lot of pictures from firefighter Ambacher too.


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Captain,

Pictures of the gentleman make the whole lot complete IMO, it really puts a face on all the items & makes them much more personal. Although I don't collect uniforms, this is the type of group that would make me reconsider that, the condition is excellent & all the additional stuff just makes this a "must have" group. If you ever tire of it, I'm sure there's a dozen guys here that would go nuts to have this group, myself included Smile


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