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Posted 06 November 2003 17:14
As suggested by another member, Im going to start branch specific uniform threads. It seems that great uniforms are scattered across are 6,750 postings on 18 pages and to cover all branches on a single thread could be cumbersome. It is a mutual feeling that this consolidation of branch specific uniforms into one thread will perhaps provide an easier reference for visiting collectors. Fire away...I'll add mine after I set up a torso figure.
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Posted 09 November 2003 14:40
Regulation Feuerschutzpolizei 1938 model Feldbluse with bright karmesin piping throughout. This G.Assmann tailored tunic is dated 1942 and has black collar and cuffs instead of the later brown color. The pink color piping will properly show florescence under a black light.

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Posted 09 November 2003 14:51
Removable Obertruppmann shoulder board with black inner cords and karmesin backs.

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Posted 09 November 2003 14:59
Collar tabs with karmesin backing and aluminum litzen and piping. Black wool collar with karmesin piping.

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Posted 09 November 2003 15:08
Karmesin sleeve eagle and swastika on black wool backing. These eagles were also worn on the Prussian blue Feuerwehr unifoms.

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Posted 09 November 2003 15:16
Adjustable belt hooks at the sides of the tunic. These removable belt hooks, and the removable shoulder boards, indicate this tunic is a Feldbluse rather than a Dienstrock.

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Posted 09 November 2003 15:21
Reverse of tunic showing belt hook half-buttons and removable wire belt hooks at the side. The cuffs are functional and button and unbutton for rolling up the sleeves.

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Posted 10 November 2003 19:00
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Originally posted by ORPO:
Removable Obertruppmann shoulder board with black inner cords and karmesin backs.

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Great item!
But there are 2 things I don't understand:
1) As I know rank Obertruppmann was used only in FFW, not in FSP?!?
2) The blouse is made in 1942, as You stated. In this case there are not appropriate shoulderboards (without quer cords on shoulder side).
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Posted 11 November 2003 00:20
Jiri,

As these are removable boards I cannot be certain they are orignal to the tunic. I used the FW rank since the boards have black centers. What would the proper designation of this rank be for the FSP? This is the Kntel uniform plate for the FSP showing the uniform with shoulder boards that do not have the shoulder side cords.

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Jiri Libal sr.

Posted 11 November 2003 02:46
ORPO,
see
http://www.volny.cz/lbsr/dr/pol/dg_36-45.html.

Is there 1st Aid Pocket in this type of Feldbluse?
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Posted 11 November 2003 08:50
Jiri,

This Feldbluse does have the interior first aid pocket. Since the tunic is only stamped with the date of 1942, I cannot tell which month it was made. It has a private tailor's label from G. Assmann in Halle a/s. As the rank regulations changed in April of 1941 and the cuffs and collar changed from black to brown in March 1942 the tunic should have been made between January and March 1942. It seems to me that this fellow retained his old Revier- (Bezirks-) oberwachtmeister shoulder boards that would be designated as Obertruppmann boards in the Feuerwehr. In my experience, it is common for policemen to continue to wear old style (alte Art [a.A.]) insignia, uniforms, and equipment well after changes in regulations.

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Posted 11 November 2003 11:24
George,
the practice of wearing old style uniforms (Alter Art) past the introductiondate of new uniforms (neuer Art) is something that is part of the regulation change.

It is found in every (or almost every) order that I know of that old stuff had to be worn out.

I have pictures of the pre 1936 Schupo greatcoat being worn over the M36 tunic untill well into 1938.

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Posted 11 November 2003 16:58
Officers Tunic with brown collar and cuffs.


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Posted 11 November 2003 17:06
Collar


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Posted 11 November 2003 17:10
Board with black nebenfarbe


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Posted 11 November 2003 17:16
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Posted 11 November 2003 17:19
Back


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Posted 11 November 2003 17:32
NCO tunic with brown collar and cuffs


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Posted 11 November 2003 17:37
Collar sorry about the colour didnt come out very well using a standard 35m


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Posted 11 November 2003 17:41
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Posted 11 November 2003 17:47
crimson eagle


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Posted 11 November 2003 17:50
Back of tunic


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Posted 14 November 2003 19:25
Like George's my FSP tunic has the black eagle.

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Posted 17 November 2003 00:34
Pat, is your FSP tunic a Feldbluse like mine or a Dienstrock without the adjustable belt hooks? I love those Meister tunics!

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Posted 18 November 2003 20:50
George,

I'm going to say by the amount of use that it was a Feldbluse with hooks that are not adjustable.

Also here is a neat little post card from Knotel, showing Feuerwehr.

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Posted 18 November 2003 22:14
Pat,

I have seen the fixed belt hooks before on Fire Service tunics. I think they needed the extra support for the large leather or cloth equipment belts as shown in your postcard. Neat postcard by the way...part of a Tag der deutschen Polizei set and not a part of the original large folio.

Here is an interesting Fire Service Meister tunic that is either early Feuerschutzpolizei, Feuerloschpolizei, or Feuerwehr. It is made in the Polizei style without French cuffs and it does not quite fully meet any regulations (as those pesky Meister fellows seem to do so often) but I think it is probably Feuerloschpolizei. What do you guys think?

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Posted 18 November 2003 22:20
Sewn in Meister shoulder boards with black and aluminum centers on carmine backing. The buttons are all smooth nickel finished.

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Posted 18 November 2003 22:25
Machine sewn collar tabs, without aluminum cord piping, on tall Prussian blue collar with carmine piping. The aluminum litzen have black centers and are on carmine velvet backing.

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Posted 18 November 2003 22:31
Machine sewn carmine sleeve eagle for the town of Winkl.

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Posted 18 November 2003 22:37
Back of tunic showing the standard four panel cut with a boxed tail. The two nickel buttons at the tail are belt supports and notice the short cuffs piped in carmine without buttons.

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Posted 19 November 2003 02:43
George,
These piped cuffs can be found, also on different ranks.

I attach two pictures. First shows frontal and back shot of the pre1936 Feuerlschpolizei tunic. (this one is different from yours in that it has slip-on boards, no piped cuffs and other insignia)

Second picture is a detail from a group of feuerwehr men. The piping along the cuff can (only just) be seen. No buttons are present on the cuff

BTW the Kntel drawing posted by Patrick also shows the piped Cuffs without buttons.

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Posted 19 November 2003 02:43
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Posted 19 November 2003 17:11
Hi ORPO

That is a nice early fire police tunic with that style of eagle with the ribbon at the bace of the oakleaves instead of the later X.

Here is my private purchase open collar tunic that has an extra button to allow it to be fully closed to the neck.


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Posted 19 November 2003 17:15
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Posted 19 November 2003 17:19
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Posted 19 November 2003 17:23
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Posted 19 November 2003 17:27
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Posted 19 November 2003 17:32
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Posted 19 November 2003 17:38
Double decal fire helmet with no comb in minty condition with a few scratches paint work is 98%


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Posted 19 November 2003 17:43
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