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Hi All:

Here is a Blood Order document I came across in the National Archives.

Enjoy!

Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com

Here is the reverse. I see that it is noted in this roster that Jegg died in 1935.

Ross Kelbaugh
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Ross, thanks for that.Would be great if you posted any others you might come across on your travels.Thats the brown first pattern holders small document ,Replaced with the red document for the second pattern as I have shown above.
Nice.You rarely see these survived !

Very nice and talk about a real Alte Garde born in 1852!

I was looking at this thread again and I can answer Dean's question. Many of the Putsch vets did not apply for the BO until after the 1st striking ended in 1935. These recipients were issued a 2nd pattern in early 1939 and there is documentation to back this up. One example is in Niemann's book on Awards where he shows a letter from the Office of the 9th of Nov. changing a members award document from red to brown due to his participation in the Putsch. His BO was numbered in the 2900 range. I hope this makes sense. Erich

I just noticed that I have repeated what I already wrote earlier in the thead. This shows that Beer and thread reading can be a problem. Sorry for the double post.

At his advanced age, what would Alois Jegg have done to earn the Blood Order?

You basically just had to attend the Putsch and be a member of the NSDAP or affiliated organizations to qualify for the 1st pattern BO.
To Qualify for the 2nd pattern, you had to have been jailed for at least one year, loss of job or have been severally wounded in defense of the Party.

I have a question and since I am not familiar with Blood order medals this will sound stupid. What is the reason for some of the empty spaces on the list and who was #1 on the list that is empty also? All I can do is ask. Thanks Larry

The # 1 spot was obviously reserved for the main man. It has been said that A.H. had a B.O. with the numeral 1 but that's not absolutely confirmed. It has also been theorized that he had a blank or un-numbered B.O. but again, that's not confirmed. It is within reason to assume that he had more than one B.O. and conceivably this may be a reason for some of the un-numbered pieces might come into play.

As to the blank spaces on the official listing, it has again been theorized that these numbers were originally assigned to persons who later had their B.O. revoked. However and contary to this idea, at one time I owned B.O. #200, August Bruschwiler (shown in Angolia) and pulled his records from the Berlin Document Center and did further research on the person. He was an antique dealer and had charges brought against him for misdealings with a political leader's mother. Legal proceedings ensued to include a personal letter from the accused to A.H. asking him to please intercede on his behalf because they were fellow 'Alte Kampfers' The records reflected no response from A.H. and as the legal proceedings went forth with the charged offender ultimately loosing his party affiliation and was subsequently ordered by the court to return his Gold Party Badge and his Blood Order. Contrary to the above hypothesis his name and number 200 remained in place on the B.O. list and also reflect his demise in 1943.

Interesting stuff but Larry, I'm sorry that I am unable to provide a more concrete answer to your inquiries.

Regards,

John

One theory was that Ernst Roehm was BO # 1 but he never received his BO due to The night of the long knives. Hitler then took BO # 1. Wolfe Hardin owns BO # 1 along with Hitler's Brown shirt and one of his GPB's. BO # 1 is engraved rather than stamped from what I understand. I think John is correct regarding that some had more than one copy of the BO and that the spare was not numbered. Fobke had a numbered cased example and an unnumbered one attached to his uniform for example when discovered. I think there is a lot of mystery with the BO and a lot of answers we may never know.

Hey John thanks for your reply. You went well over and beyond as far as providing an answer for me in something I have no knowledge of. You explained alot for a better understanding. Thanks again! Best Larry

Both the orders I have seen up to the number 10 have been hand engraved rather then what we expect as standard. Sort of like a personal touch for the top guys,OR maybe a case of the recipient having their 2nd spare medal engraved unnoficially ? Interesting theory.

One interesting omission on the list is BO# 25 that was awarded to the only female holder of the 1st pattern BO, Sister Pia. Was she awarded her BO by Hitler by passing the 9th of November Commission? Interesting!

That would be a fantastic order to own Erich,I wonder if it survived !?

Who knows Jon, one more mystery of the Blood Order.

Erich I am trying to study them but I'll soon be living in a cardboard box :]

Heres a nice complete grouping you do not see very often!

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Are there a finite number of Blood Orders (that are known) or are there examples that have never been seen to this day?

Fantastic cased 2nd pattern BO and documents, King Dong and thanks for sharing them.
Doug, I don't think anyone really knows how many BO's survived the war. A total of about 4100 were awarded and I'm sure that there are more than a few in old collections that have never see the light of day. Best, Erich

Thanks for sharing King Dong. What do you all think of No. 254 that Charlie Synder has for sale. Here is the link:

http://www.snyderstreasures.com/pages/hitler.htm

Scroll down to it a bit from the top. I saw it priced at about 10K at one show.

Regards,

Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com