UBB.threads Forums Uniform & Accessories Medals & Badges of the Third Reich Forum Mothers Cross Broach

Any members have one and would like to post a front and back of? Or compare to this one.. , G.

I have yet to have the opportunity to examine one of these broachs. Only seen images of them.
http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/800097.../r/34610679#34610679

--dj--Joe

Just don't see too many of these broachs, see/had plenty of the standard ones and minis..

The first type Mothers Cross is another one rarely seen... , G.

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wish I had saved photos of the bronze mini broach posted above,,,the back of the mini was milled out and the pin was attached nice ,neat and flush...

Here are some shots of a friends Gold I took a while ago. A little different reverse construction but still a nice neat job..,G.

reverse,

Gaspare,

My thanks to you and your friend for the images. First time I have seen a reverse view.
Interesting design to the added bars.

--dj--Joe

Gaspare,
Nice. I wouldn't mind having one of those, Thanks for showing it.

Weitze recently had a couple on his site, only one left now.

Cheers
Don

Reverse

Adding this photo from some old files I had.

Not sure if its a period photo or not.
Interesting as it shows a few different sizes / variations!

Bringing this back around. Perhaps some one has an example to share?

--dj--Joe

I'd love to see more IF, if anyone has one....

Sad to say the piece I opened this topic with,,the owner had passed away a long while ago..

The family had this and many other high end items that went to a auction.. Somewhere between them thinking which auction and other details this MC brooch had gotten lost!... Don't think it was ever recovered
A wonderful cased example gone....

So actually what I've been seeing there is a lot of variation with these.. Some very slight differences some not even close... Wondering if any period documentation on these. Were they 'official' etc..
Really hope another turns up ,,it'd be really nice to do a observation on it, a comparison,etc...

Come on guys,,,anything,,period photo, an example, documentation etc.,,,post away!

Authorized 16 December 1938, first awarded on Mother's Day, 21 May 1939 and last awarded in 1944. In mid-1939, a miniature medal was approved to be worn on a ribbon bow or brooch. The brooch was prohibited in mid-1940, making them fairly rare. Below is a nice bronze award.

Wow,, so mid 39 to mid 40! No wonder they are rare.

A manufacture won;t make them if they're not an approved item.. Really in years being in the hobby I've seen maybe a handful at the shows including collections.. For the MC collecter thats got to be a hot piece to get... Nice example posted there Vern,,,, Thanks very much for the info...........

What about the first MC version.. The super rare MC.. I don't remember any here even back to the Stump days.... Maybe a bunch of BS! , Vern, any regs etc. on that version??

These were only awarded on Mother's Day each year. The 1st pattern was only awarded in 1939. The mid-1939 order changed the inscription on the reverse. The obverse stayed the same. 1st pattern on the left, 2nd pattern on the right.

So 1938 they had the 'standard' pattern MC..

"These were only awarded on Mother's Day each year. The 1st pattern was only awarded in 1939. The mid-1939 order changed the inscription on the reverse"

So am I understanding this correctly,,they were only made for around 6 months give or take??. I always thought this was a Ailsby dream up thing.....

- Vern,,,is this your example?,,, you have photo of obverse?

My understanding from John Angolia is that the 1st pattern were only awarded on 21 May 1939. The 2nd pattern was awarded from 1940 to 1944. Here are photos of the obverse

Mr. Angolia,,,Good guy from the golden age of collecting!

So one issue date! Thats really something,, and I guess the reason you don't see them anywhere...

And,, 3 pretty big differences seen on the obverse. : See Red,Blue, Black lines - enamel, starburst, word placement.

So is it yours? ,you don't have to answer that... - Did you know John Angolia personally? Wasn't he like a Colonel in the military??

- thanks again for photos and info...........,G.

And the thickness of the swaz is different. I had it for awhile but got talked out of it. I knew John and learned a great deal from him. He was a retired Army Lieutenant Colonel and quite a character

Very nice to see. And thanks for the info!

Sorry I can't add anything for this thread.

Don

A link that starts off with some miniatures and builds over five pages. Showing some broaches and pin backs.
https://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=113873#Post113873
--dj--Joe

yeah thats a great topic Joe..... I cleaned up that period picture a bit.. Seems to have the mini and the mini mini shown by Ailsby in the other topic..

The silver 1st pattern shown above is an early reproduction. Here is a photo of an original 1st pattern in gold.

Thanks to one of our members, hopefully the following gallery will be of interest ........

https://www.germandaggers.com/Gallery/MCH.php

Thanks for the link Vern, very useful.

Don

Good reference.

--dj--Joe

After getting the photos, I thought it would build a good addition to our Reference Library

Out of interest, does anyone know whether the 1st pattern exists in miniature as well, or only full size?

D

Don't know but would say not as the miniature cross was approved at the same time that the inscription was changed.

Don, I have no knowledge of a miniature 1st. pattern cross.
There are miniature examples with plain reverses. One shown on page 4 of the following thread -
https://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=113873&page=4

--dj--Joe

If you look at the gallery, the first two broaches and the first two pins all have plain backs.