UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons The BCN Bayonet Forum Has anyone seen this kind of german frog before?

Late war? Can anyone identify the material? IT came off a german 1944 dated bayonet.

Very interesting item. If this question was not asked by Mr. Jacobi I would certainly think that its a fake. Since you mentioned it came off a 44 dated bayonet. Is it a 98K ? Do the scabbard has corresponding frog wear ? The frog looks a bit worn (at least used) so it could have been with a bayonet for sometime, so the scabbard should also have frog wear.

Keith

Is it possible that this is a Japanese frog that a collector put on? I have seen some Japanese bayonets with canvas frogs.

Dave

Dave I am open to any comments for sure and appreciate this one ;however, i got this from the mentee of Major von Stein who probably had the nicest of all collections and served in the WH before he died. Can you post a similiar example? Just cause i got it from one of person who i respect greatly doesnt prove it is right. If this is late war and oddball, we will never be able to say it is 100% correct since it probably wasnt production approved by the Wehrmacht Heer.

John, First, my sincere compliments on your ability to find things that many of us have never ever seen like this frog. You do have a real talent for finding the unusual. I�m not an expert on German field gear or all of the types of materials used, but the material seems to be an off color from what I have seen myself and also seems to have some kind of herring bone pattern. If I was forced to make a guess Yugoslavia comes to mind having seen copies of German frogs using webbing from there. And I would not rule out Romania either having seen large numbers of 98K bayonets imported from that part of the world. And that is most admittedly just a guess from one image.

In my experience while standard German tropical frogs were rivetless, the �shorty� versions did have them in conjunction with leather pouches and straps. Also, while I can�t be sure from the image, it looks like the tie strap could be a piece of very thin material folded over and stitched?? And the size compared to standard German frogs very likely could be a factor here as well. As many of the Yugoslavian ones had a noticeably longer backpiece. Any chance for some for some side by side images with some regular leather German �shorties�? And some of the other details like the cover on the backside of the tie strap stud? Best Regards, FP