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Dedicated 1936 SS Dagger service number 183329

Dedicated SS daggers are very rare to say the least, I had an opportunity to purchase this from someone who was offered this dedicated 36 but it was in a very sorry way. Now some people would debate restoring a dedicated piece like this, but in this condition it was a preservation excersise to save the integrity and honesty of the piece moving forward. If the finder in Germany would have left it all alone it might have been a harder desision to make, but the botched attempt at tidying it up left no option but to start a thourogh restoration from scratch. Thankfully all the fittings had been left in their original codition so we can get a clear idea on the originality and provinence of the piece.

After 60 years swealtering in someones attick the handle had massively shrunk and twisted with the intense variations of temperature and the scabbard had become pitted all over. After it was rediscovered it appears that the someone forced the scabbard fittings off damaging all three of them in the process. They then very crudely filled the pitting and painted it extremely poorly before putting them back. The handle was crudely re shaped beyond anything that resembled the original. It then recieved a thick coate of the black paint over the wood, runes, and eagle.

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On my first inspection of this dagger it struck me that it was potentially an important and traceable piece. The blade was heavily oiled and had remained in almost mint condition, the dedication was deep as well as the original owners serial number in the reverse of the cross guard.

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Materials and fittings

There have been a range of materials used in the original construction of this dagger

Upper and lower scabbard fittings were made of Nickle silver
Centre scabbard ramp was made of solid brass
Main chain links all made of nickle silver
Connecting chain links mainly nickle silver with one being steel
Cloverleaf was made of steel
All handle fittings were Nickle silver

Period repairs

It is evident that this dagger had a number of period repairs, firstly at least one connecting link had been replaced with a steel one, and it is possible that one or two of the other connecting links might have been replaced. The upper scabbard chain mounting point had been replaced with a steel replacement that had almost completely coroded since it was repaired. It is possible that the cloverleaf was also replaced being made of steel but I am almost certain that it just happened to be used with the mainly nickle silver fittings.

55 here you can see the beautiful blade, later you can see the amount of oil and grease used in the scabbard and on the runners

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Dagger Repair


The first thing that I have done is remove the cross guards and start to polish them, despite being Nickle silver they took several hours to clean by hand. The patina and build up of dirt and grease was particularly stubborn to remove, it has started to deteriorate the surface of the nickle silver so the timing of the cleaning and restoration is spot on before the piece gets severely damaged by pitting. The serial number 183329 on the rear of the lower cross guard seems to be filled with the same thick matter that I have been able to remove from the surfaces. I will need to get this proffesionally cleaned out as to keep the integrity of the inscribed number. Both the crossguards have the same markings A.E and I have left them un cleaned inside.

I carefully removed the SS runes and Eagle from the handle with a very sharp angled implement to get them out without damaging them. It took several hours to clean them using Autosol rubbing them on a cloth until all traces of the black paint had been removed. I had to use a scalpal to scrape the black paint out of the eagles wings that was stubbornly lodged there. I was very pleased with the finished articles and left the reverse of the items un cleaned to be re inserted into the handle. The handle itself was completely rotten under the thick paint, I suspect it had secome to woodworm while it had been stored for all those years.

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115 here you can see when I stripped the scabbard back, it took hours to get the filler done correctly (I used to work in a car bodyshop) this was one of the first coats.

117 After fully accesing the extent of the damage it was clear even with extensive filling and treatment this handle was beyond any hope of repair. It was not however made of Ebony, it appeared to be a lighter wood that had been stained originally. I used a period SA handle of a similar wood colour for the basis of the new handle. It had a chip out of the top right hand corner and was a poor fit on both sets of cross guards. I painstakingly filled it several times to make a snug fit and softened all the edges of the wood a little to give it that rounded SS handle feel. I used four coates of ebony dye to give it the colour being carful each coat to apply it without brush marks by rubbing it in thourahly using one of my fingers. Once dried I re inserted the original Runes and eagle then used a scouring pad to give it an aged feel. I then attached the crossguards and inserted the blade again that has a number 5 on the tang.

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120 to get a really snug fit on the crossguards I had to fill a lot of the SA grip using car body filler. You can see it starting to take shape here.

122 grip after six coats of ebony stain note the runes and eagle put back snugly. After another few weeks I took the edge of the shine using a scotch brite to give it that old worn look and feel.

I wiped the oil off the blade with a clean cloth, I have not polished this blade at all. It still retains most of the original burnishing and a good degree of cross graining and required no work on it at all. The blade to cross guard fit was also excellent so required no attention.

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131 that completed the work to the actual dagger

136 Scabbard Shell

After removing all the fittings it was apparant that I needed to strip the scabbard shell down to bare metal to access its condition. It was the original scabbard shell having the centre ramp fitting holes, although I suspect it would have been annodised because there were two holes for the centre ramp not one. It had previously been badly filled and you can clearly see where the pitting was originally. Fortunately there were no visable signs of rust so it was completely repairable. I spent several whole days getting the filling and shape correct. Thinking ahead in order to get as tight a fit
as possible on all scabbard fittings the dimentions of the filling needed to be very precise. For example once painted you needed to be able to get the centre ramp back on without damaging the paint but the fit needed to be exact and snug. I used a commercial filler primer and wet flatted and re filled certain areas tens of times until it was as perfect as possible. I applied 14 coates of paint over two days carfully flatting out any in prefections to ensure a high quality finnish. I then used a cutting compound to give it that all over flat painted feel that you get on the original painted finnishes. A huge amount of time went into this scabbard shell but the effect of getting things right here will mean that it will look original when it is finally put back together.

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I removed the bottom scabbard fitting with ease, it had previously been butchered off and had not fitted so snugly when re fitted because some of the metal had twisted and bent. The centre ramp was very difficult to remove, this was in part that it was probably sweated on originally, so it was a good fit even after being removed. Secondly because of the poor way that the scabbard shell had been filled it had enlarged the width of the scabbard around the centre area. I eased it off using a combination of boiling hot water on it, to expand it combined with genly applying pressure using woodern grips in a vice.The top scabbard throat fitting was also very tight, I eased it out using a woodern mallet and a wide copper chisel covered in tape as not to scratch it. The top scabbard fitting came off with ease once unscrewed as someone had previously pried it off in the same manner as the lower scabbard fitting.

A lot of work and a beautiful job. Opinions differ on restoration, but I think such a dagger deserves it. There is a "crossover" point where restoration may or may not be desirable. The same with other antiques and collectibles.

140 I used a traffic film remover acidic de greaser to get every bit of grease and oil off the links and fittings ready to get the ramp and clover leaf ready. You need to do this carefully quickly and rince thouraly if you use this stuff. Same as alloy wheel cleaner (strong stuff)

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19 here you can see the painted scabbard it looks lovely but needs to be aged and compounded to flatten the finish after the centre ramp is back on. I put some very thin black metal paint on the link to replace the burnishing, most of it will be removed again to give the correct effect and aged feel.

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I carefully pried the links apart that theld the cloverleaf, and top scabbard fittings to the chains. Once seperated I was able to use an acid de greaser to completely remove any grease and dirt from all of these fittings. It also removed any remaining burnishing as well without damaging any of the metal fittings. I repeatedly adjusted the fit of the centre ramp with needle files then 600 and 1200 wet and dry on the painted scabbard to ensure it would be an excellent fit after it had been re plated. I removed the spring from the cloverleaf and sanded it with 1200 wet and dry after its acid bath to ensure the new plating bonded as well as possible to it. If you look at the bottom of the cloverleaf you can see where it has been ground out of shape during original construction. After some thought on the matter I decided to leave this as it was rather than repair it as it was one of the original characteristics of this piece I was trying to retain. I then found somewhere that could re plate the steel cloverleaf and solid brass centre ramp in a durable Nickle Silver finnish. After the links had been polished by hand after their acid bath I was able to start replacing the original burnishing. I did this using a black metal paint applied with an extremely tiny brish under a large magnifying glass. It took several hours to apply and the technique here to ge the desired worn original finnish is to remove it just before it is completely dry. I used a cutting compound mixed with a metal polish and a lot of elbow grease to get the desired aged and worn effect.

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This was after nickle plating

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Now getting the perfect fit on the scabbard was a tight and very carful job, I had spent hours with the filler making sure it would be a perfect fit. After plating I smothered everything in cooking oil and very gently eased the centre mount back on using my hands then a woodern mallet to tap it on the last few mm to line up again with the screw holes.

Here you can see the quality of the fit all those hours of work paid off, look how shiny the newly plated paint and scabbard fitting look prior to ageing them.

9. I used a scotch brite on the centre fitting and put in and removed thin metal paint the same that had been done with the links. Finally I brushed some engine oil grime from the dirty bits of my engine on with a brush then wiped all the surfaces. This just puts some grease back on in all the right places.

11 now you can see tha the re plated fitting match all the chain and the links giving a nice aged feel back. Here I have also compounded flat the paint on the scabbard shell to give it a good original look.

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I used a dolly on the scabbard fittings to straighten out the edges as best as I could as they had been pried off here you can see the final lower scabbard fit.

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18, Here is where I aged the paint after it was completely flat to give it chain ware back. I used a bunch of keys and kept gently striking the scabbard until I had got the amount of ware I wanted on it.

20 Now you can see how much more original the re plated centre ramp and original lower fitting look on the completed scabbard.

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I should have the last few pics of this when I get the top scabbard fitting back tommorow from the restorer ( I have done everything but I could not make and solder the new silver chain fitting).

I can really enjoy this now and am planning on keeping it for the rest of my life!, in restoring it I dont want to pull the wool over anyones eyes and sell it. That is why I have posted it all here and kept 100s of pictures of the work as well as a written record of the techniques used.

Wonderful thread Mongo!!! A Great restoration job. I couldn't have done any better, (or as well, for that matter) Thanks for taking the time to enlighten us.

Well top scabbard fitting back from the Jeweller, just had the silver chain holder put on. I have a great fitting top scabbard fitting now with no gaps. So its all finnished now!

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Mongo is hereby awarded a "Great Thread" medal for this informative, complete, and ground breaking thread. Good Job

Congratulations,
Dave

Oh Yeah! <---[this is me, GREEN with envy) Super job all around.

I can proudly say I am very handy, but this is simply SUPERB restoration job!!! Congratulation!

Jan

Yes, a very nice job with a beautiful result. A great display ready dagger.

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Mongobongo...Great work enjoyed reading what you did!!

You wrote:
"I can really enjoy this now and am planning on keeping it for the rest of my life!, in restoring it I dont want to pull the wool over anyones eyes and sell it."

WOW... Now I see you want to sell it....after all that work??

Sepp

GDC 0292 Gold

Mongo, our English Manfred

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Mongobongo...

A definite WOW!
The amount of work (? days/weeks/months?) that you put into the SS 36 Restoration, were well worth the phenomenal result which you achieved! CONGRATS!

You demonstrated to us that:
� A skilled restoration - is an utterly Complex Task!
� A skilled restoration - is an completely Time-Consuming proposition!
� It takes a real PRO, to do this - at your superb level!
� and - a lot of 'Tips' along the way...

Wonderful and informative thread! Good Show! ... Txs, Dave/dblmed

I fear that the �aging� might get into faking.

great job, great skill, thanks for showing. paul