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Just for those who have not seen this before here is a 1939 pricelist of Hoerster confirming the Rail dagger.

First time I've seen this invoice. - Thank You Maxwell.

According to my understanding of Maxwell's invoice regarding the portapees it seems that two types were were approved and used. One we can assume is the "speckeled" version and the second a "Silver" (Army type?)type.
I can picture some collectors who had original "Silver" Bahnschutz portapees yanking them off and putting a fat "Johnson" on it saying: "Now, it's right"

Great Thread here. I want to thank all the contributors for their input.

-serge-

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Originally posted by Johnny V.:
I am sure this is covered somewhere else, and I am embarassed to ask the question, but... what is the flaw???
I understand that original railway daggers do exibit a flaw in the casting, (crodssguard?) but can anyone direct me to where I can see the flaw vs. a "flaw-less" fake?
Thnaks,
Johnny

This might be the one you spoke of Johnny.
http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...480077355#2480077355
And here's the flaw on my replica all same like Eickhorn.

Hi Terry,
Can you put a caliper to the crossguard and pommel and give us the width dimensions on this repro?
I think Red would like it for his list. Besides I'd like to know too.
Thanks!
-serge-

Wotan, can you tell us anything new about the square buckle Railway Hangers? Why the variation and how rare are they? Did they only come with the Eickhorn manufactured pieces?
Ron Weinand

Terry - Great info.
THANK YOU!
Johnny

Sorry Serge.. I sold my last one a couple of months ago PLUS I don't have calipers, just a dressmakers tape measure.

It seems that if memory serves me correctly, the square-buckle hangers always have some sort of DRGM/RZM marking combination on the back of the clips. I've seen upper suspension fittings both of the regular cloth type, and also the metal reinforced type (I just got a set of the latter in, the other day). I can measure the dimensons also, as the hangers came attached to a Horster example (no TM).

@ Ron: Unfortunately I don´t have any concrete information about the square buckle hangers. But I have two of them, one came with an EICKHORN and one with the late period HÖRSTER (both daggers came directly from the family of the period wearer). But naturally nobody can tell if they were delivered this way or one or both hangers were bought seperately during the period.
I do own two of them but nevertheless I think they are extremely rare and hard to find.

@ Craig: The lower clips of square buckle hangers are D.R.G.M. marked like all other comparable (same configuration) clips. No other marking, therefore also NO RZM marking.
All those square buckle hangers I have seen have/had exactly the same configuration.

Here a newer photograph of RRPP daggers, please take a look at the accoutrement.
Regards,

Craig Gottlieb currently shows his unmarked and therefore said HÖRSTER dagger with the hangers described by Ron (with RZM marked clips, metal reinforces upper fittings) which I have to admit that I have never seen before! I "always" (all these hangers are very rare) have seen only "my" variant, shown in the pic, up to now.
In our hobby you really never have to say never and for sure nobody has seen all.
Regards,

The 2nd Mod. Railway Dagger and crossguard flaw will be one of the questions discussed at the MAX Seminar Program: An Evening with Frederick Stephens at the Friday evening meeting.
I will have slides and a side by side comparison of the Eickhorn and Horster Rails.
Ron Weinand
Seminar Coordinator
Max Show

That will be great Ron.
To your knowledge have anyone reproduced the built-in throat version of the 2nd Bahnschutz dagger?
Thanks!
-serge-

No

Neither the built-in-throat RRPP dagger nor the also built-in-throat Youth leader dagger is reproduced (to my very best knowledge).
Regards,

Thank You Ron and Wotan.

-serge-

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Neither the built-in-throat RRPP dagger nor the also built-in-throat Youth leader dagger is reproduced (to my very best knowledge).
Is this HJ leader replica of mine not a built in throat?

Ron in my experience,(8 years) in die casting. Usually die flaws are something that happen as a result of production. At least the first castings come off fine. I'm open to hearing other opinions but intuitively it does not make sense to me that from the very 1st example they were all flawed.
Hey, I'm open minded. Should make for interesting discussion Fri.

Just thought you guys may enjoy seeing another unusual varient of this scarce and currently IMO under-appreciated model. So I'll bring it to the MAX for your viewing and discussion.
Here is a one photo teaser. All that I'll say for right now is that it is not either a Eickhorn or a Horster. But it does have a Maker's Logo.

-serge-

@ Terry Pullen: Please show it detailed and the reverse of it.
Regards,

Ooooh Serge!
Interesting piece!
Flawless, in more ways that one...

Real beauty for sure, looking forward to hold it in my hands.

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Originally posted by Pat:
Real beauty for sure, looking forward to hold it in my hands.

Many women have said that to me over the years!!

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Originally posted by wotan:
@ Terry Pullen: Please show it detailed and the reverse of it.
Regards,

You'll agree that the workmanship is stunning!! There is no screw in the reverse of the scabbard. I bought this off eBan from a chap in Canada about 15 years ago.

If you have original ones this one shown by you is one of the more bad copies due to a lot of differing features.
Lately I have seen astonishing (near to perfect) better copies!
Concerning the troat: I am not sure because of the photographs but for me it looks like a "stick (pressed) in" throat but no "built in" throat.
Thank you for the effort of doing additional pictures.
Regards,