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Rick and DJ; The fact that All the Blades we have been talking about are phonies was established about halfway down the second page of this thread! So You guys are dragging in a little late. Rick, It is not suprising that FAKES of anything are found now, and I would EXPECT there to be several of them out there! You guys need to read a bit more than the last two posts before you comment. Denny, I thought you didn't want to be involved in this thread!

3FL

I made a comment in reply to a friend (and only him)...............

Wayne, I would like to comment or at least ask a couple of friendly question on the Eickhorn Rohm that you posted.

1. This SS Rohm, from the photo that you posted, appears to have a redone scabbard. Your thoughts ?

2. I've noticed that all of the early Rohm, Ground Rohm, Himmler and early large double oval Eickhorn SS dagger that I've owned or handled, have the long neck eagle in grip. I can't tell from your photo, is that what yours has ?

3. Most early Eickhorn's that I'm familar with have benchmarked and either "HE" or "AR" crossguards. These don't appear to be HE's, your thoughts or obsservations ?

4. It appears that your Rohm is a "Smooth Tail" Eickhorn etched squirrel. Is that right ?

These are not meant to call your item into question, but more to clear up some trait characteristics and info that I usually associate with early Eickhorn SS dagger. Thanks for all. JR

3FL... can you show closer, clearer pictures of the grip to crossguard fittings and also the rune. Cheers, Scott

Sorry Guys, Not interested in playing "gotcha", Tired of the BS! Not trying to sell it, and I am comfortable with it's originality. So I will respectfully decline, you can go ahead and play on your own, With my blessings! 3FL

I am sure you will have few others to play with shortly. And, I would ask you kindly not to re-post MY photos! Thank you!

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Originally posted by 3-finger Louie:
Sorry Guys, Not interested in playing "gotcha", Tired of the BS! Not trying to sell it, and I am comfortable with it's originality. So I will respectfully decline, you can go ahead and play on your own, With my blessings! 3FL

Only wanted to see closer pictures like this...

3fl,

I guess it's just me, but i think the fit of these fittings suck

At first when i saw this dagger , my concerns was the fit as Bob Rodgers show .

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Originally posted by 3-finger Louie:
Here are some photos of MY Full Rohm if anybody cares to comment!

Can't see your pictures?

Thank You, Vern! I would ask you guys, Politely, once again, Please do not repost My Photos. There was also one posted by Bob Rodgers and one by JR, Could you Please have those removed also? Thanks! 3FL

Vern,
I don't think you should touch anyone's posting when they were freely posted on a site.

I copied the original earlier today and during my lunch i edited it. so in no way is it his original picture.

I still stand by my posting that the fit of the items are not the best. I did save all of the pictures.

3FL... why have you taken your pictures down?

You post them, ask for comments and then remove them???

Was wondering the same thing? Why post if you are just going to remove them?

Sepp

GD.C Gpld 0296

TERRA INCOGNITA !

Here is another Paul Seilheimer SA Rohm for sale along with some other questionable pieces ..

http://www.ioffer.com/shops/degenmeister

Gordon

Well well well.... Where have we seen that "Seilheimer Rohm" before....

I've seen a few of them before ....

They where owned by a man with a missing finger

Wonder who that could be

You chaps crack me up. I agree with Pat, SA is a piece of crap and in my opinion the posted SS is as well. Funny that the SA Rohm is now for sale in Corpus Christi Texas advertised as a vet bring back and sold as "all sales final" says a mouthful right there. cheers, Ryan

Another of 3FL dagger's that sold... a full SS Rohm for $3600.00

http://www.ioffer.com/wholeStory.do?txnID=930590

This guy brought a lot of JUNK (can't remember a thing that was real) on GDC and attempted to legitimize and market it. He was allowed to do his thing and this is the end result.

Doesn't this type thing make Anyone allowing it to happen, an accessory to the fact?

Seems GDC and other sites do have a moral responsibility when this type thing rears it's ugly head......

Just my opinion.......and hopefully I am allowed to state it..........
Denny

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These Items are not mine, so I know little or nothing about the history of most of them. I do know he got a chunk of his collection from an Ex SS Officer in Germany about 15-20 years ago. I will ask the executor of the estate to look in his papers and see if there is anything written about the history of any of the stuff and let you know and I will send copies of what I can find. Thanks Nick Nov 10 13:48PDT

Love it !!!

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Originally posted by D. J. Roach:

Just my opinion.......and hopefully I am allowed to state it..........
Denny

Denny, you are certainly not alone out there having these thoughts.
Trully pathetic and I just can't believe that such a person would do such a thing.
How lowly can you get ?
Of course, he could always claim that there were originals................but non-textbook.

Of course he could also claim they were textbook originals. But what textbook? Maybe it would be better to have a non textbook original then an original textbook fake or maybe a textbook original fake? All three kinds are out there-it just depends on the textbook.

I guess I have not kept up with this thread, and I am sorry if this is a stupid question, but was it concluded here that 3FL is selling/has sold bad daggers? I notice his last post was way back in August. I always found his posts funny, but there was always something strange... There were often "rookie mistakes" and things that even a newer collector should know, that he missed. Brain fart, or old age excuse works once or twice, but after that.... I always kept my mouth shut, and thought some of the veteran guys might have said something if my "feeling" proved to hold any truth. I remember the "Dave Hohaus honor dagger" Clearly he knows how to etch inscriptions!

Wonder if 3FL will be ever be back on the forum

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Originally posted by stirnpanzer:
Wonder if 3FL will be ever be back on the forum

He was online around 1am this morning UK time or about 8pm east coast US time last night.

So that would mean yes...

OK - Guys. I've watched this thread enough and I've got to finally say something here.
I have had dealings with 3FL. As I know several other forum members have also. Maybe they will speak up, maybe not.
Not at any time did 3FL every do something that I could call dishonorable with me. He has ALWAYS MADE THINGS RIGHT WITH ME.
He has honored his word with me. And has come through with that word with ME.
Whithout going into questions of who's selling
authentic, parts, or repro pieces. Or how they are marketing them. All I can tell you that with ME, the man has been HONORABLE. And I've been around long enough to know what that means.
Are any of you aware that 3FL is terminally ill? Trying desperatly to survive a bit more.
I know you guys probably don't. If you did, I feel MOST, of you would stop this.
I HOPE that you ALL will now.
If some of you don't want to let it go, that is you right. Maybe in your heart, you like to give a few extra kicks to the guys who's already down. For those that feel they just have to "get their extra kicks in", I ask that you direct it at ME. OK? -wagner-

Im glad to hear you speak up Wagner as its always good to see the other side of the story. Im also saddened to hear the 3FL is terminally unwell, i found his posts enjoyable. However if it is him selling this junk on Ioffer (and no one has proven this yet - just speculation based on location)then he should stop, at best the daggers are parts peices and at worst out and out fakes. If its not him then a lot of ppl on this thread owe apologies.

Hello Sturm. I don't care what 3FL sells on I-offer or whoever else does either. I understand your point. Now, if you really want to do the right thing, as I am sure you do. Take a look at some of the deep pocket "major dealers" here, and take a look at some of the items they "authenicated" with their COA's. Yea, I know, we don't want to go there, do we? In my opinion, that is where you should look. That's the real problem. Many examples out there. Just saw one several days ago.
So, I appreciate your concern for 3FL. Because he is a GOOD person, who needs moral support during this trying time. If I had the extra money I would buy ALL his daggers. I KNOW I can buy ONE. Maybe You can buy ONE? And just maybe
a couple of other guys can buy ONE?
I know he would just rather hear a kind word now. He doesn't want any sympathy or bad feeling toward anyone. In my opinion. -wagner-

I agree there are dealers out there that authenticate and sell questionable items. Plain and simple. But does that make it okay for others to do so? IMO no. I don’t think any fake being sold by anyone benefits this hobby at all. I don’t know about other collectors but I have to work hard and save up to buy my stuff (as im sure many of us do). Last thing I want to happen is see my hard earned $$ wasted on trash. As for buying one of the daggers on ioffer - thanks but no thanks 2 many question marks on these items.

First of all, I want to say that I sincerely feel sorry for 3FL, or anyone else for that matter, who is terminally ill.
A good friend of mine ( and a GDC member ) went through some rough times couple of months ago and I'm really happy that he is now feeling much better.
His hair has even grown back.
Kidding aside, everyone came to the conclusion that this SS full Rohm dagger was a complete fake.
You don't need to be an expert to know that.
Just use your logic ! Do you really think that an authentic SS full Rohm would actually sell for only 3,600 $ USD ?
C'mon, let's be serious, the seller knew exactly that the dagger was fake or else, he would've sold it to any big dealer name for a lot more money....if original.
That's a dagger worth at least 15,000 $ USD at full retail.

I don't know who actually sold this dagger and I surely hope that it isn't 3FL.
If it isn't him, then I'm terribly sorry for having thought that he was the seller of this dagger.
I also would've like 3FL to go public and respond to this thread.
We know that he came on GDC and saw this specific thread, as we saw his name listed on the ONLINE section of the forum.
Why is he not making any public response ?
I don't know and I cannot answer this question for him.
However, if he is the one that sold this dagger on the web, then he will have to live with his decision as he very well knew that this dagger was fake.
There is no HONOR when you try to willingly sell a fake dagger.
It's not because you have a serious illness that it gives you the right to cheat on people.
On the contrary, you should instead be mercifull and humanly sincere with others.

We all know that many big dealer names are also selling questionable daggers on the web. Does it make the crime more tolerable and justifiable for anyone to do the same thing ?
Not in my book !
Even if all dealers were crooks and thiefs, guess what, I still wouldn't be part of their gang and still wouldn't willingly sell any fake items.
This thread is really sad and would really like to know if the seller of this dagger is actually 3FL or not..............as I'm certain that someone knows the answer.

God Bless !

wagner

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If some of you don't want to let it go, that is you right. Maybe in your heart, you like to give a few extra kicks to the guys who's already down. For those that feel they just have to "get their extra kicks in", I ask that you direct it at ME. OK?

This is not remotely about anyone's health issues that you bring to light..... If that's the case, I feel truly sorry that someone has a bad run of luck and is ill, but this is about fakes being presented and sold as originals.

Character can't be diminished by disease or illness. I personally resent your accusations that anyone is "kicking someone while they're down".

Absolutely nothing to do with anything you state above....

If you are suggesting that someone buy a repo, I wonder about your motives. Sorry, but I read between the lines and don't like what I read.
Denny

Whatever happened to the "Dave Hohaus Honor Dagger"??

But seriously, I am sorry to hear 3FL is sick, but I have to agree fully with both Pat and D.J. in this case. Having first hand experience with an originally "questionable" dagger myself, it sickens me to see anyone knowingly making and/or selling them.

I'll be watching to see what is concluded here, and I hope it was not 3FL selling bad daggers. I hope he is just a crazy old guy having a little fun